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A. Is it true ... "The 390xp has become the "industry standard" for production fallers???

2. Because of an adjustable carb ... and the limitations of the terrain???

C. Has Stihl's 661 become a failure to the contrary?

Thank You, Dan.

This has been suggested in a previous post, regarding Husqvarnas 5th generation Big Bores.
 
A) we have no standards that's why I appreciate your unorthodox format you have set forth.
2) Fallers definitely have limitations and it's not the terrain. I'll let you in on a little secret. ...fallers can't adjust carbs.
C) never really thought about that???
Stihl got a new saw?

Hey Dan it says you work for CN rail. (Canadian National Railway)
Does that make you a Canadian nationalist?
 
A) we have no standards that's why I appreciate your unorthodox format you have set forth.
2) Fallers definitely have limitations and it's not the terrain. I'll let you in on a little secret. ...fallers can't adjust carbs.
C) never really thought about that???
Stihl got a new saw?

Hey Dan it says you work for CN rail.
Does that make you a Canadian nationalist?

Concerning Item 2, in our company if they tried the boss man would be inclined to chop their fingers off :clap:
 
A respectable member (perhaps not) here stated "The West Coast" guys went 390xp's....since they discontinued the 660... I find that hard to believe.

"ArmRanger" stood firm in his take on the Auto-tune/Mtronic in forefront of the warfront on "The Fires"

They say theirs a Stihl dealer on every corner out west, like a starbucks in NYC
 
"Here was the post"


  1. I have started to wonder if they are going to "jump over" a generation with the 70cc and up saws, and the 572, 590 etc never will hit the market?

    As I understand it, the 390 is about the "standard saw" on the US West coast at the moment, with some 395s (a much older design) in the mix - due to the failure of the 661 and 461 in that environment.

    It isn't just what has been posted on here - if you looked at "Axe-men" over some time, most saws were MS660 some years ago, now they almost exclusively are 390xp. Any Stihl saw is a rarity with the PNW crews.

    That does of course not encourage Husky to change their model line-up, when it isn't needed vs. the EPA.
 
A respectable member (perhaps not) here stated "The West Coast" guys went 390xp's....since they discontinued the 660... I find that hard to believe.

"ArmRanger" stood firm in his take on the Auto-tune/Mtronic in forefront of the warfront on "The Fires"

They say theirs a Stihl dealer on every corner out west, like a starbucks in NYC
Um..ok
*thinks me shoulda read some more Shakespeare* lol
So that was his stance which was contarary to belief.
Well they usually have a year over lap and when guys like a model that do it for a living, will generally buy one or two.
Then they have the option of buying next to new privately for some time. So that's no excuse. Thats definitely weak. There was some original 372's that were just sold. I ran reconditioned 372's for two years before they were discontinued. Then I didn't start buying new xtorq To Convert Until 2013.
 
i know many stihl guys who switched to the 390 with the discontinuing of the 660. i also know many guys who just keep having 660's rebuilt. many switched to the 661 and either love them or hate them. seems guys are warming up to them slowly more and more as time goes by but you still hear something negative about them every shift. odd time a brand new 660 will show up and everyone wonders where in the heck????? i know a few guys with a stock hoarded away but they will run out eventually. i hop back and forth from the 390 and 372. i hate to have to choose and i'd always run a 390 but after running a ported 372 it's hard to go back to the heavier saw even if it's got more power. i can say i've given stihl to many chances, they are still a nice saw but i've lost all interest in using them for work. i fix'em to flip'em!
 
:dizzy:
"Here was the post"


  1. I have started to wonder if they are going to "jump over" a generation with the 70cc and up saws, and the 572, 590 etc never will hit the market?
Dan

I did read this post oddly enough a few days ago somewhere way out of the way.




Current models are selling well,let them test on
"Here was the post"


  1. As I understand it, the 390 is about the "standard saw" on the US West coast at the moment, with some 395s (a much older design) in the mix - due to the failure of the 661 and 461 in that environment.
The 390 is pretty dominant in BC
I've been on small crews with all 390's
But there is the loyal stihl guys. It changes by crews.
Many guys have 660 &461
If the 461 is ported properly and tweaked out to the max with anti vib full wrap equipped with square chisel then IMO, its the best saw on the market. It's far from a failure? That's ludicrous! The 390 retired the 395 10 years ago here. Now "Junkman" will tell you ever faller he knows in Northwest Washington runs stihl. I know a lot do as well a lot in the Alaskan pan. It's the same crowd. I've cut there. As far as Axeman goes Pfffff
All I've ever seen them cut is 2nd & 3 rd growth fir. Not to say some guys aren't 'west coast' fallers but that doesn't qualify anyone to be a 'west coast' faller. Many contractors and unions want certain timber type experience and time length.
It be far from 390 ground. There is falling on the west coast & there is 'west coast'falling. Much of the second growth will be much larger on residential because the trees won't be competing for crown competition as well all the best soil and nutrients wash down.
"Here was the post"

  1. It isn't just what has been posted on here - if you looked at "Axe-men" over some time, most saws were MS660 some years ago, now they almost exclusively are 390xp. Any Stihl saw is a rarity with the PNW crews.
That's pretty Chunky soup to swallow.
I'm sure it holdsvtrue in areas but to believe it's a rarity, one might ask one if they believed in leprechauns

"Here was the post"




  1. That does of course not encourage Husky to change their model line-up, when it isn't needed vs. the EPA.

We just make pretty poster boys in the PNW with slogans like

Husqvarna
"Made for professionals
By professionals"

They don't care about us
If they cared about us then it would have been made as the 585 years ago.
I think they are into practical jokes.
They have one saw that is suitable in stock form to cut true 'west coast first growth maybe the 576 too. I never even warmed up to either.even in the ported form.
We are not going to be banging the dust of no 395's either.
We are like the generation Xers of the west coast to them. Too little to please.

He is misinformed about EPA on many fronts

Stihl got a new Saw? Can you be sure of this?:dizzy:
 
Some of it is where you're at in PNW we have both and good support for both is the big reason for that. Now honestly where I am fallers are becoming endangered species with the smaller timber, insurance rates that are nuts, and most companies not allowing guys on the ground with all the tethering going on.

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Thank You! ... better versed!

His post was aimed at the 661...

I also see ... "Tuning a saw would be similar to opening extra exhaust ports on a roots blown EMD 645-16 cyl at commi nationalisn rwy."

Termination. Respectfully, Dan.
You are welcome, I thank you for being patient with my antics.

"EMD 645" , classic! They have some great history. If you see an engine come through your division with some graffiti which reads "Chevy's rule so don't drool"
Thats just me saying hI.

"commi nationalisn rwy." How dare he say such about your place of employment. Absolutely & complete deprication!
Nothing could be further from the tru....
Hey wait a minute. Now that I think about it. They sure do a lot of advertising for China.
"Commi Nationalisn Rwy" that Is pretty funny.

I saw a 4 engine heading for a rockie mountain climb a month ago. (Kamloops BC - Calgary AB.) I don't believe I have seen that before. It had TWO in the front.
When I saw the middle engine then I counted almost 80 cars. Possible 150 cars total with many stacked up. That's some heavy advertisement.

Yes I realize the 661 was the focus. I tried to address most all the comments.
I don't know a lot about the saw. I have not seen any seasoned WCF (stihl loyalists) run them thus far. It's hard to give up what becomes your style. I have been running ported 37I/372 since they come out nearly 21 yrs. Most all the Stihl vets has been running 066/660 for 28 yrs. There is a lot of them. With out a doubt the 661 will build reputation and be a great saw. Reminds me much of the Husqvarna 562. They had a world of issues that went on for years. It came a long way and so will the 661.
If 'some saw' rolls in off the assembly line to take over a saw that's been with the faller for nearly 30 yrs then it has to be DAM! perfect. That I can truthfully give it to you straight.

Out with the old, in with the new.
Such the cycle of life, such the cycle of chainsaws.
 

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