, I don't have a opinion about cert. To each there own , but to say cert. Levels the playing field well that's just dumb, you can put lipstick on a pig but its still just a pig and its the same thing for certs. And non certs. Slicing each others throats for a buck , maybe in the next 40 years you can master humility cause believe me , your a bit full of yourself ...
In the interest of improving relations I considered just ignoring this but changed my mind.
Not sure if this asked a question or just was a grandstand statement. You are certainly entitled to your opinion of me and I care very little what it is but, as the old saying goes in regard to other stuff...you are entitled to your own opinion....BUT NOT ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN FACTS.
Becoming a Certified Arborist is not as easy as often stated mostly by those that never took the test. There are basics to many aspects of tree biology, physiology, anatomy, arboriculture and many many more things. If one has passed this we can be certain someone knows this and they are going to continue learning to get continuing education credits to keep the cert. This absolutely LEVELS the playing field of discussions when they turn to arboriculture as to common acquired knowledge by participants.
All that crap about the pig and the lipstick and slicing each other's throats for a buck is hogwash. Mutual respect is what people that have attained this basic level of knowledge credential have for each other. Ask Scott, Jeff, others that studied, taken the test, and go to seminars to maintain the credential.
Not trying to start another war but you are the main impeding factor in any learning on this thread or on this forum. I like to play grab as s as much as the next guy but I love to learn. I have really dedicated myself to learning over the years. If you call that full of myself...like I said...you are entitled to your opinion. I call that confident. Also I have been in the biz longer than most on here bringing knowledge. I really like the guys on this thread/forum. If you like someone you want to see them better their lot in life and esp. become peers to converse and share successes and commiserate with when nec. and LEARN new things with.
For some reason when ever there becomes any discussion on any intellectual level YOU want/try to block it. You don't try to hide it, you come out and say "what's up with all this non grab as s talk?" I call you dumb sometimes but you are not, you just act dumb or lazy by not wanting to learn anything or allowing anyone else to learn anything.
I have been on forums before when I have 4 arboriculture texts open next to my laptop and others nearby. I probably have a hundred arboriculture texts. Discussions going on for weeks on end about anatomy or arboriculture or whatever. So much learning occurs. Then you take a break and grab as s a little. If you eat cake all day, it doesn't taste any good when time for desert comes.
I personally studied with Alex Shigo for decades after meeting him in 1980 and followed him around the country to seminars. That is kind of like going to Brazil to study Jui Jitso (sp?) with the Gracie family.
Maybe barking up the wrong tree and if so I will move on but I think if it was you or AA to leave the forum, I would pick you because he did not have such a disdain for learning. You have never contributed anything worthwhile on any thread in the 3 years I have seen you on this or other forums until a few days ago you started a thread on "Impressive Trees". Seen many other threads like this over the years so no news bomb but why don't you want to learn anything about those impressive trees or discuss anything about them other than knocking em down?
Not looking for a name calling fest here and think we can talk this out for the benefit of this thread or, again, I will move on, because as it is now, I don't think we both can exist here without disruption and I can easily go away and fit in on another forum as I already have done in the past. I have had Justin, Scott, and yes, even you come after me on pm's and ask me to return to this forum after I have left. I know it is not just to play grab as s.