What Skills Should You Have to Use a Saw?

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There have been many posts over time that have ponder this question. Sometimes people will come on and ask questions in a manner that makes me mentally cringe a bit – I suspect they may not have the basic skills needed for service and/or use. I sense that I am not alone, as other posters tend to leave it alone until someone gets brave and wades in. Other times people will post and it is clear that while they may lack some specific bits of information, they seem to have the background with tools and mechanical things and will probably pick it up OK.

At one time this was a country of generalists, people who had broad skills and fair proficiency in a lot of practical areas, mechanical work being a common one. Now thanks to the increasing complexity of our world we are a nation of specialists with a lot of knowledge in a couple of areas, but less in others. When something breaks we throw it out or take it to an expert to fix. When we want something made we buy it or hire and expert to make it.

It occurs to me that part of what makes chainsaws interesting is that they area bit of a throwback, they sort of represent “country cred”. If you can go out and take care of storm damage or pull firewood out of the woods you've probably got some useful experience. So to use a saw requires a fair level of skill in quite a few areas, which was once common in rural areas.

There's using the saw for felling and bucking – there are endless things to learn about that and of course it can become a specialty itself, but once the knowledge to get a tree more-or-less safely on the ground was more common. Maybe a pro would cringe at your farmer's back cuts or whatever, but the job gets done OK.

Then you need to be able to sharpen a chain – putting an edge on steel was also once a common skill. Now, we have serious conversations about whether a loop of specialty steel saw chain is of sufficient value to bother resharpening or if it should be disposed of when dull. And there is no need to sharpen other disposable junk.

And then there is the whole issue of mechanical maintenance and repair, tuning, mixing of fuels, etc. Some of which can get quite involved and there is a minimum level of tools and knowledge required. You need to know the different types and sizes of fasteners and ways to use them. How tight is tight – some sort of mechanical sympathy in how you treat things. These skills were once pretty common, and manufacturers could assume more ability in these areas than they do today – some of the things that would have been acceptable in decades past would be laughable today.

Then if you get into heating with wood this extends into identification of tree species, splitting, stacking, lighting fires, learning about chimneys and stoves, etc.

These days all sorts of OPE is marketed more as appliances, without the customer/operator being made to feel like they should have to learn how it works or get dirty working on it – just turn it on and use it. But I don't really think it works so well with chainsaws in spite of the attempt to portray it that way to get more sales. There's just too much to know to make it work.

So after all that long winded carp, what kind of basic skills should one expect to have to use a saw well?
 
If you can't $##t off your hocks, and change the oil in your own vehicle, than you have no business with a chainsaw. :laugh:
 
You need to be aware that at any time something can go wrong. That's when operating any kind of equipment.
 
If you can't $##t off your hocks, and change the oil in your own vehicle, than you have no business with a chainsaw. :laugh:

No truer words have ever been spoken on this joint.

If you don't know the difference between a pulpwood truck and a root beer float, then you have no business with a chainsaw.

If you think the only thing called an F-14 was a Naval fighter aircraft and not one of the coolest IH tractors every built, you have no business with a chainsaw.

More to follow.
 
To get a driver's license, one needs to pass tests.
To legally purchase a firearm, one needs to pass a back ground check.
To buy a chainsaw, one needs only money.

A chainsaw is perhaps, THE most potentially dangerous tool the average person can buy.
I wish I had pictures of saws, chains etc. I have seen or fixed belonging to neighbors, friends or just people I meet.
This is America(no offense to others), so people think they can do what they wish.

I liked the comment about being able to change your own engine oil to be able to drive a car.
The OP went to great length to make his point. MY HAT OFF TO YOU, SIR.
Big box stores may bring opportunities for the average person to take care of their own things. Professionals, too.
The truly good/great DEALERS who show the buyer how to use their new purchase (saw) are a rare breed around here.

Owners manuals ... who reads them? I do.
Owners manuals on the internet only? I am a grumpy old .... I hate those.

Fathers teaching sons or something along those lines. I have been using a chainsaw for over 35 years and the only time I hurt myself or anything else for that matter, was sharpening a chain with a file, in the cold and not wearing gloves.
How I screwed up the rest of my body, that's a different story. Chainsaws deserve respect. Learn it, teach it, enforce it.
 
All you need to run a saw is common sense and the willingness to learn.

Don't over-think it.
Those will do it. But I think there's some without the expectation of learning, that paying the money for the saw is sufficient. Buy the appliance, turn it on. And if it doesn't do what is expected then they're upset and make a stink about it.
 
A basic understanding of physics and geometry is a must. Also if your shoes have velcro straps stay away from saws.
 
Proper starting, has to start there. Hmm, thats why they call it starting... when you see someone yank a small engine anything, chainsaws included, dozens of times and cussing along the way, you just know they are a bit lacking and probably shouldnt be attempting what they are doing. If it isnt starting like it should, more yanking isnt gonna do it, just break more stuff.

Stubborness has its place, but it is not a replacement for technique and proper maintained equipment.

Next would be, dull chain does not mean push harder

Next, saving 50 cents on two year old fuel is not cost effective..neither is buying that bargain basement pump gas in the first place

next, spending 5 bucks on getting a proper mix can and LABELING IT TWO STROKE, is way more cost effective then using some random can you have kicking around, stored next to all the other weirdo cans of various liquid chemicals, all unlabeled. Theres frugal, then just cheap and stupid. Unlabeled, just some random cans that look like the other cans, eventually some strange liquid will get put into the saw...

then normal maintenance. In this day and age, I am somewhat surprised they dont include a one dollar DVD with new saw purchases. Could be hours of good maintenance and proper cutting technique in there by chapters. Ya, they have manuals, but people watch vids today. They should have both in the box and they should be so common they are at like yard sales for ten cents.

I actually think that ^^^ is a good idea, then offer it up at video sites, file sharing, etc as a freebie, but lack any sort of nice video capabilities.

Maybe the saw makers have that, I know they have it online, but do any include such a video disk??
 
Some knowledge of power tools. Worked some young men that had never had the opportunity to work with common farm tools, try to use a sledgehammer once. What a lot of us growing up in the out-of-doors take for granted, can be a real challenge for those who never have. It was like trying to teach T-Ballers how to swing a bat.
 
Some knowledge of power tools. Worked some young men that had never had the opportunity to work with common farm tools, try to use a sledgehammer once. What a lot of us growing up in the out-of-doors take for granted, can be a real challenge for those who never have. It was like trying to teach T-Ballers how to swing a bat.

I have a nephew who is 17 and made Eagle Scout and doesn't know how to swing an axe. Tried to get him to help split wood for my mother and he couldn't hit a piece of wood with the Monster Maul. Not much better on moving or stacking either.
 
There have been many posts over time that have ponder this question. Sometimes people will come on and ask questions in a manner that makes me mentally cringe a bit – I suspect they may not have the basic skills needed for service and/or use. I sense that I am not alone, as other posters tend to leave it alone until someone gets brave and wades in. Other times people will post and it is clear that while they may lack some specific bits of information, they seem to have the background with tools and mechanical things and will probably pick it up OK.

At one time this was a country of generalists, people who had broad skills and fair proficiency in a lot of practical areas, mechanical work being a common one. Now thanks to the increasing complexity of our world we are a nation of specialists with a lot of knowledge in a couple of areas, but less in others. When something breaks we throw it out or take it to an expert to fix. When we want something made we buy it or hire and expert to make it.

It occurs to me that part of what makes chainsaws interesting is that they area bit of a throwback, they sort of represent “country cred”. If you can go out and take care of storm damage or pull firewood out of the woods you've probably got some useful experience. So to use a saw requires a fair level of skill in quite a few areas, which was once common in rural areas.

There's using the saw for felling and bucking – there are endless things to learn about that and of course it can become a specialty itself, but once the knowledge to get a tree more-or-less safely on the ground was more common. Maybe a pro would cringe at your farmer's back cuts or whatever, but the job gets done OK.

Then you need to be able to sharpen a chain – putting an edge on steel was also once a common skill. Now, we have serious conversations about whether a loop of specialty steel saw chain is of sufficient value to bother resharpening or if it should be disposed of when dull. And there is no need to sharpen other disposable junk.

And then there is the whole issue of mechanical maintenance and repair, tuning, mixing of fuels, etc. Some of which can get quite involved and there is a minimum level of tools and knowledge required. You need to know the different types and sizes of fasteners and ways to use them. How tight is tight – some sort of mechanical sympathy in how you treat things. These skills were once pretty common, and manufacturers could assume more ability in these areas than they do today – some of the things that would have been acceptable in decades past would be laughable today.

Then if you get into heating with wood this extends into identification of tree species, splitting, stacking, lighting fires, learning about chimneys and stoves, etc.

These days all sorts of OPE is marketed more as appliances, without the customer/operator being made to feel like they should have to learn how it works or get dirty working on it – just turn it on and use it. But I don't really think it works so well with chainsaws in spite of the attempt to portray it that way to get more sales. There's just too much to know to make it work.

So after all that long winded carp, what kind of basic skills should one expect to have to use a saw well?

It can be annoying to quote long posts like this, but I gotta say.................I've been on this site for 7 or 8 years now and this is one of the best posts I've ever seen. :clap:

I get to see quite the cross section of people come into the store. There are a lot of folks who are zeros when it comes to practical knowledge. People simply are not exposed to situations where they can pick up basic mechanical skills. Their entire household tool inventory consists of a hammer, screwdriver and pair of pliers in the kitchen drawer. They are so addicted to their electronic crap that they are living a virtual life. It will only get worse as these people have nothing to pass on.

So, take someone like this and hand them a chainsaw? God that can be scary. I often take time to explain as much as I can to these newbies and pray that nothing bad happens. Fortunately, they rarely hurt themselves. But the poor saws suffer dearly. The chains that people try to cut with would make you laugh. There are some rays of sunlight though. Plenty of people who stay with it and THINK along the way, do become safe and capable operators. Eventually they start to get into it and sometimes even become saw and firewood geeks like the rest of us. :msp_biggrin:
 
Some warm matter between ones ears truly helps.

There is nothing that somebody can't be taught or learn, it all depends upon the teacher and the student amd both of there willingness.

The days of a well rounded person are becoming fewer and fewer................so make the time, to take a child (or friend/colleauge/partner) outdoors and teach them things, be it about the stars, how to fell a tree, track anything in the bush.

Indoors how a screwdriver works, how to cook, how to sew, all kinds of things.

The problem isnt todays kids, its todays parents (forget the schools they have been long gone in too many ways).
 

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