Cut Through my Chaps - Next Set?

[Philbert]

Take a deep breath buddy. . . . let us have our fun we ain't hurt n anybody. JR

I think that you read me wrong. I have no problem with 'the test'. I have no problem with people on the site modding their saws, or buying saws they don't need, or restoring old beasts, or carving bears out of tree stumps. I enjoy reading about some of their efforts, even the insane, Quixotic ones.

B_Turner just asked why more people were not sending their $10 in to cover the costs of their fun. I said that this type of uncontrolled experiment adds nothing to the knowledge base of chaps protection, or whether the posted Labonville videos were accurate, and was not interesting to me.


Philbert

 

[jra1100]

Philbert

Mostly I was just having a little fun with you. As I said, you add a lot here in a very articulate and analytical way, and I for one appreciate it. I had no problem with what you were saying, I doubt you took any from what I wrote, it will indeed be interesting to see what happens. One thing I thought of is that I think a leg is only effective in stopping one strike, once they are hit the safety provided is greatly reduced. I am not sure of this, but seems like I read it someplace, probably on AS. JR

 

[B_Turner]

I said that this type of uncontrolled experiment adds nothing to the knowledge base of chaps protection.

To me, it is like me asking you for $10 donations so that I can buy a new MS 200, so that I can drop it out of a tree in a new way and see if the case smashes the same way on asphalt as on concrete, just because I am curious. Probably a video you would watch, but not necessarily something you would send in cash to support.

Philbert

I obviously disagree that some informal testing can add nothing at all, it depends on what happens.

For example, if touching the front section of the bar with square chain cut through the new 6 ply chaps, it is something the existing published vid does not show - controlled or not. And I feel that in that hypothetical case the degree of the breach of the inner surface is of interest to me. And if there is no breach from any portion of the test, that is very interesting to me as well.

Naturally, it doesn't mean one should not wear chaps or Labonville chaps. But it helps me understand just a little bit better the risk I take daily with my saws.

I confess your analogy to dropping a saw onto concrete will make it a little more likely that I'll ignore what you choose to post in the future in regard to safety. We are on different pages here, and I encourage you to ignore the casual results Jesse has with a saw chain contacting chaps.

That's the great thing about the forum...

 

[Philbert]

jra1100 - no offense taken.

B_Turner - sent you a PM

Philbert

 

[Philbert]

1) What is the difference in pentration between when the chain strikes the middle of a kevlar pad and the edge or seam of chaps. My concern is at the edge or seam there maybe insufficient fibres to clogg the chain.
2) What is the difference in pentration when the chaps are covering a hard or a soft surface. eg calf muscle and shin bone.
3) What is the difference in pentration when the chaps are taut over say a bent knee versus hanging loosely.
4) Standard chaps are said to be ineffective against electric chainsaws. I'd like to see this demonstrated.

One thing I thought of is that I think a leg is only effective in stopping one strike, once they are hit the safety provided is greatly reduced. I am not sure of this, but seems like I read it someplace,

All great questions. My understanding is that the moving chain snags and pulls out long fibers of the protective material, which clogs the sprocket and stalls out the (gas) saw. This is why a second strike might not be protected: even if you hit a different spot on the chaps, the protective fibers might have been pulled away from the second strike area.

Philbert

 

[B_Turner]

Mostly I was just having a little fun with you. As I said, you add a lot here in a very articulate and analytical way, and I for one appreciate it. I had no problem with what you were saying, I doubt you took any from what I wrote, it will indeed be interesting to see what happens. One thing I thought of is that I think a leg is only effective in stopping one strike, once they are hit the safety provided is greatly reduced. I am not sure of this, but seems like I read it someplace, probably on AS. JR

My read is that as a safety professional he is horrified at the prospect of anything close to the name of safety testing done by us minkies....

 

[dingeryote]

I should clarify. I'll volunteer the saw and camera (not the leg).

Jesse,

Ever consider using 10% ordnance gel under the chaps, for a simulation of soft tissue supporting the chaps on impact?

Any damage done would simulate tissue damage fairly close.

If ya want to go through the fuss, drop me a PM.

I have a good bit gathering dust for now, and would be glad to walk you through mixing, making a mould and the rest.


Stay safe!
Dingeryote

 

[JeepNJesse]

Jesse,

Ever consider using 10% ordnance gel under the chaps, for a simulation of soft tissue supporting the chaps on impact?

Any damage done would simulate tissue damage fairly close.

If ya want to go through the fuss, drop me a PM.

I have a good bit gathering dust for now, and would be glad to walk you through mixing, making a mould and the rest.


Stay safe!
Dingeryote

Wow! Thanks for the offer (if you are serious) but I think I'll pass. I am not sure if you are pulling my leg or not... Hard to read people from text alone...

 

[dingeryote]

Wow! Thanks for the offer (if you are serious) but I think I'll pass. I am not sure if you are pulling my leg or not... Hard to read people from text alone...

Jesse,

If your 'ol Lady dosn't mind the mess of you mixing it up, I'll send you enough Vyse 10" Ord. Gel to mould a couple "Legs".

Dimensions of an adult thigh work out to right around the dimensions used for the 20lb blocks I cast.

It dosn't take a bunch of dancing around with chickensfeet and test tubes.

I'll pre-weigh the mix, all you gotta do is heat the proper weight in water, mix it, pour it into the moulds and then chill it for 48 hours to solidify.
This ain't calibrated to FBI protocols Ballistics, so it can be a bit sloppy and still be barnyard accurate, and woodcutter peer reviewed.

Just put a bluejean leg around the Gel, and then the chaps on the "Leg"....
Bingo!!! Just like on Mythbusters.

I'll drop you a PM.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

 

[angelo c]

All this chaps talk has got me thinking. I changed my signature.
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let me know what y'all think ?

 

[BobL]

I obviously disagree that some informal testing can add nothing at all, it depends on what happens.

For example, if touching the front section of the bar with square chain cut through the new 6 ply chaps, it is something the existing published vid does not show - controlled or not. And I feel that in that hypothetical case the degree of the breach of the inner surface is of interest to me. And if there is no breach from any portion of the test, that is very interesting to me as well.

Me too - there are very few independent tests done on these sorts of things. As long as you know who did the test then you make your own call on that basis.

 

[PA Plumber]

All this talk about chaps has help me decide to retire this old set. Not sure if they would even be worth testing.
BTW, these are 6 ply.

Most of the "Gorilla Glue" patches are superficial nicks and snags

The "hit" in the first pic, in the middle of the left leg, is the "real deal."
Saved my bacon big time!!

 

[Taxmantoo]

Jesse,

If your 'ol Lady dosn't mind the mess of you mixing it up, I'll send you enough Vyse 10" Ord. Gel to mould a couple "Legs".

Is this stuff more valuable than a ham?
The state occupational safety video I saw used boneless hams for legs, so you could watch the flesh fly when they cut through. I figure it also approximated the support that a leg would give under the chaps. (I bet it would be a lot easier to cut through a chap strapped to a log than one with a somewhat squishy material underneath)

 

[JeepNJesse]

Tri955

Thanks TRI955. $10 check received.

 

[B_Turner]

The saga moves a step forward, as I finally got around to sending Jesse a chain.

He's got a 14 ft hole in his front yard he is dealing with first....

 

[blis]

Here in colder climates satefy bibs are pretty much standard everyone uses, same goes for steel toe safety boots...

Especially in deep snow safety boots are real toe-savers, cut my boots twice this year and both times i would have probaply ended without big toe if i hadnt had my boots on, Also ruined one bar last year becouse i just nicked my bibs and them fibers jammed the nose sprocket...

 

[B_Turner]

Here in colder climates satefy bibs are pretty much standard everyone uses, same goes for steel toe safety boots...

Especially in deep snow safety boots are real toe-savers, cut my boots twice this year and both times i would have probaply ended without big toe if i hadnt had my boots on, Also ruined one bar last year becouse i just nicked my bibs and them fibers jammed the nose sprocket...

I wear steel toed boots generally because I am often horsing around pretty heavy blocks and rounds. You only need to have one fall on the end of your toes once to be a believer.

Blis,tell me more about jamming the nose sprocket. Where on the bar did you contact the bibs? I am trying to understand the fiber travel better.

Never heard of a fatally jammed nose before, interesting. Worst case you could get another tip, of course.

 

[TRI955]

Well, has any testing been done??? Did I miss it???opcorn:

 

[JeepNJesse]

Soon

Just tonight I took a picture of the new chaps in it's wrapper. I am planning to do the taping as soon as I am at the house while I have someone to film during daylight. It should definitely happen by this weekend.

Sorry for the delay. I have had one disaster after the next around the house and the tending to could not wait.

Thanks for the interest. Stay tuned...

 

[cjcocn]

Just tonight I took a picture of the new chaps in it's wrapper. I am planning to do the taping as soon as I am at the house while I have someone to film during daylight. It should definitely happen by this weekend.

Sorry for the delay. I have had one disaster after the next around the house and the tending to could not wait.

Thanks for the interest. Stay tuned...

Jesse

This is just an interesting experiment for us and we all realize that your family and home come in first by a long shot.

Take care of what you have to take care of and we'll still be here when you get back.