Stihl is WAYY better than Huskie

[Lakeside53]

Hmmmmmm, doin' a little figurin'.

The local Stihl dealer, sells the MS 660 w/ 36" B+C for $1095, so a 22% profit would be $900 dealer cost.

I can buy a 395XP w/ 36" Husky B+C for $930.45 to my doorstep. Assuming ground shipping eats up $30, a 22% profit would be $740 dealer cost. Well, the factory can't be making them for that, so the profit markup must be lower, (kind of a given with online sales) maybe $800~825. (9~12.5%)

So, this only leaves a few possible conclusions:

1. The dealer markup of 22-24% is not true, and must be more. (but I doubt this, and I believe Andy and Tom, though I have a gut feeling the 880 might be a bit more than that)

2. The factory is making a much larger profit, with the claim it's to support it's dealer network, despite the higher costs actually benefiting dealers in any way, or . . . .

3. There are other kickbacks or incentives for dealers.

4. Labor is siginifcantly less in Sweden.

Just thinking out loud. Doesn't really mean much, since I don't think there's an argument the Husky's can be bought for less.

(I'd like to compare the Jonsered 2095 and Dolmar PS-9010 too, but finding prices doesn't come easy)

The MS880 is exactly the same margin.

There are no other kickbacks or incentives.

I'm sure Stihl is at least as efficient in manufacturing as Husky, so maybe they (the parent) is making a healthy profit... Way to go...:rockn:

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE.... Husky HAS to price low to keep a toe-hold in the market? I said this before.. the WORST thing that could ever happen to Husky and Dolmar would be for Stihl to reduce their prices...opcorn:



And.... are you comparing MSRP to MSRP in your example...? your Husky dealer could be selling it at $50 over his cost for all I know.

 

[ShoerFast]

Correct me if this has chainged?

Back in the early 80's , It was the 'Distributer' that set most of the Dealer incentives. One I liked was '30 days same as cash' and the $300.00 dollor order and free shipping.

 

[bcorradi]

The MS880 is exactly the same margin.

Eventhough the 880 is at the same margin I think this is also true. If you are able to find an MS880 sitting in a stihl shop somewhere the dealer is probably willing to cut his profit margin way back to get rid of it. I remember Andy throwing out an incredibly low number for all the MS880's that were sold through Stihl Northwest last year.

P.S.: Tom - Do you still have that MS880 for sale?

 

[Trigger-Time]

One thing...........$800 - 20%= $640.............$640 + 20% = $768.

 

[rreidnauer]

I said this before.. the WORST thing that could ever happen to Husky and Dolmar would be for Stihl to reduce their prices...


And.... are you comparing MSRP to MSRP in your example...? your Husky dealer could be selling it at $50 over his cost for all I know.

No argument from me about that one, as, if Stihl were priced below them, I'd switch right over in a blink. I like Stihl products, just not their prices.

And as I said before, why would I compare MSRP, when it means nothing in real world consumer cost? The prices I posted are the prices I was quoted to me by the local Stihl dealer and an online Husky dealer.

 

[rreidnauer]

One thing...........$800 - 20%= $640.............$640 + 20% = $768.

Yes, you need to calculate from the bottom up to be accurate.

 

[THALL10326]

Eventhough the 880 is at the same margin I think this is also true. If you are able to find an MS880 sitting in a stihl shop somewhere the dealer is probably willing to cut his profit margin way back to get rid of it. I remember Andy throwing out an incredibly low number for all the MS880's that were sold through Stihl Northwest last year.

P.S.: Tom - Do you still have that MS880 for sale?

Always got a 880 for sale. That saw isn't a big seller for sure. The only man that buys it around DC is the guy who merely has to have it for show. On that baby I know exactly what it costs and if I can make 100.00 on it out the door it goes. Not like I'm really trying to promote that big boy, its more of a customer look at and go awe, wowowow saw. Its does draw a crowd for many other sales.

 

[THALL10326]

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE.... Husky HAS to price low to keep a toe-hold in the market? I said this before.. the WORST thing that could ever happen to Husky and Dolmar would be for Stihl to reduce their prices...opcorn:

Close Lake, real close. The worst thing that could happen to Husky is if Stihl took the plunge and went box store. They esitmated a whopping 40% increase in sales if they did, that would pretty well drive the nail in Husky's coffin. No fear though, it will never happen. Reason by Peter Stihl was quote
"we don't need it and we must remain loyal to our dealers who built us", unquote.

 

[Just Mow]

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE.... Husky HAS to price low to keep a toe-hold in the market? I said this before.. the WORST thing that could ever happen to Husky and Dolmar would be for Stihl to reduce their prices...opcorn:

Close Lake, real close. The worst thing that could happen to Husky is if Stihl took the plunge and went box store. They esitmated a whopping 40% increase in sales if they did, that would pretty well drive the nail in Husky's coffin. No fear though, it will never happen. Reason by Peter Stihl was quote
"we don't need it and we must remain loyal to our dealers who built us", unquote.

And loyal they shall stay

 

[superfire]

goood point

They both have very good, good, and some not-so-good models, as does Jonsered and Dolmar.......

it aint one brand is better than the next they all have two type of saws pro and homeowner. opcorn: pro saws rule no matter what brand:greenchainsaw: if you buy non pro saw and try too make them do work more than their design limts and it does not work and you complain because it broke or makes the job harder than i say you when you come to me and tel me about i spit beer. pay for a pro type saw and and you get fewer problems, just my beer monies worth:chainsawguy:

 

[superfire]

goood point

They both have very good, good, and some not-so-good models, as does Jonsered and Dolmar.......

it aint one brand is better than the next they all have two type of saws pro and homeowner. opcorn: pro saws rule no matter what brand:greenchainsaw: if you buy non pro saw and try too make them do work more than their design limts and it does not work and you complain because it broke or makes the job harder than i say you when you come to me and tel me about it i feel like spitin beer. pay for a pro type saw and and you get fewer problems, just my beer monies worth:chainsawguy:

 

[chowdozer]

You guys still arguing about this?

If Stihl saws are too expensive, don't buy a Stihl! Ranting about their prices isn't going to change anything.

 

[Lakeside53]

And as I said before, why would I compare MSRP, when it means nothing in real world consumer cost? The prices I posted are the prices I was quoted to me by the local Stihl dealer and an online Husky dealer.

Then you can't infer dealer cost or margins from that. Your online dealer might be happy to make $50 for just drop-shipping a box. Are you including bar and chain in your calculations?

 

[Lakeside53]

Eventhough the 880 is at the same margin I think this is also true. If you are able to find an MS880 sitting in a stihl shop somewhere the dealer is probably willing to cut his profit margin way back to get rid of it. I remember Andy throwing out an incredibly low number for all the MS880's that were sold through Stihl Northwest last year.

P.S.: Tom - Do you still have that MS880 for sale?

Yep... and similarly with a 660 - we "price match" up to 10% to meet the distant "local" competition.. Takes a fraction of the less to sell a 660 to a pro than a 180- to first time homeowner. Almost never discount the 361 or lower.

 

[belgian]

Why don't you POST some dealer prices ? Why don't any Stihl dealers post dealer prices ...... I think we all know why .

Sorry man, I believe you are an idiot. Why on earth should the dealers post their dealer price list on a public forum. Look at the Stihl catalogue and you will have their prices (at least in Europe). I still can't believe actually that some people on here are even so honest by even mentioning their margins (or range) made on that equipment, so that people like you can visit them and say : "I know your margins, so I need that saw at that price". I know companies that even don't disclose their "cost" to their own sales people for good reason.

some facts :

- Germany is not the cheapest location of making equipment, they have the highest labor rates of all europe

- Stihl, weather you like it or not, makes solid equipment with top notch components, that comes at a price.

- Maintaining an extensive dealer network on the global scene, requires resources such as administration, marketing, sales and follow up. (Maybe a whole lot more if you compare selling to box stores)

All of this comes at a price. You want the best (at least for longevity)equipment , best service at the best price ? Keep on dreaming, Wood ratty.

Anyway like I have always said all the good saws are good , I'd never bash Stihl .. but I will bash their sales tactics.

How on earth can you bash a "sales tactics" that has proven to be best success formula in sales of chainsaws worldwide, and other manufacterers envy them for ???? Stop making a fool out of yourself man.

 

[belgian]

I'm still waiting for someone to say...


Hands up, back against the wall. Stop rhyming PA and no one will get hurt!!!

:yoyo: :fart: :help:

Hands up, stop rhyming and give me all your money, LOLOL !!!! (I couldn't control myself, I want a new 660...)

 

[SawTroll]

Those 0XX saws are being dropped because of the epa, what happened to the 372?. I would not doubt that husky has paid a RAT to work in Stihl to find out how to build a good saw:biggrinbounce2:

Probably the other way around, the newer Stihl models have adopted more and more features that Husky have used for some time........:jawdrop: :jawdrop:

 

[SawTroll]

...
I'm sure Stihl is at least as efficient in manufacturing as Husky, so maybe they (the parent) is making a healthy profit... Way to go...:rockn:

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE.... Husky HAS to price low to keep a toe-hold in the market? I said this before.. the WORST thing that could ever happen to Husky and Dolmar would be for Stihl to reduce their prices...opcorn:
.... .

The odd thing is that over here, the Pro Huskys cost considerably more than comparable Stihl models (except the 3120 vs 880).......

 

[rreidnauer]

Are you including bar and chain in your calculations?

Yes, of course. And I specifically spelled out that it is a Husky brand B+C of same length too.

 

[2000ssm6]

Probably the other way around, the newer Stihl models have adopted more and more features that Husky have used for some time........:jawdrop: :jawdrop:

Don't think so, are you talking about the 361?