well i picked up a 361, i don't know whats got you all horny, it reminds me of an 038 i used to have, a little heavier than i thought it would be and slower too. cutting 16-18" maple, its an ok saw but not as great as the credit you give it. so i went back to the 2159ehp. i know its not a fair comparison, when you're used to running the 2159 and 2171, they make the stihl seem like its standing still.(pardon the pun)