044 vs 044 magnum vs ms440 vs m441 vs 046 vs ms460 stihl

[NORMZILLA44]

That's cool Paul, and you are a good dude who is knowledgable. And a big man to apologize. I to just wanted to open some eyes, and try and get people to be open minded, that hey just because it is newer it isn't lighter or faster. In some case yes, but not this one. Pass the chip's S&V, a shot of whiskey and we all good!

 

[wyk]

No biggie Norm. The 460 did gain a little weight but not near as much as what the scales appeared to show. WYK-Thank you for pointing that out. I again, must apologize to Matt Crowe. I insisted the saw weighed 15 pounds and 10 ounces when in fact it only weighed 15 pounds and 1.6 ounces as Lone Wolf pointed out. And Matt was right by saying there was no way that saw would weight that. Matt-you were right and i was dead azz wrong LOL. I hope you can forgive me.

I would bet the flippy caps alone add a few ounces of weight....

 

[NORMZILLA44]

Oh yeah, good old flippy caps. Why cant we have a choice? Flippy or no flippy. I miss the standard caps. P.S to all concerned party's I think the new ms460 is still one of the best. A dual port muffler, and a carb re-tune will get er back.

 

[MacLaren]

Oh yeah, good old flippy caps. Why cant we have a choice? Flippy or no flippy. I miss the standard caps. P.S to all concerned party's I think the new ms460 is still one of the best. A dual port muffler, and a carb re-tune will get er back.

Exactly! Its one of the best saws ever!! No biggie about it gainin a little weight! That saw is bad azz mang!

 

[blsnelling]

But seriously, I honestly thought the 460 weighing more than an 046 was pretty much common knoweledge.....

Not at all. They're the same saw. And I don't know what EPA weight is. EPA and OSHOA choked up the muffler and may have messed with the ports some, but that doesn't add weight. I guess I'm just confused why we're so desperate to prove that the 460 is heavier.

 

[MacLaren]

Not at all. They're the same saw. And I don't know what EPA weight is. EPA and OSHOA choked up the muffler and may have messed writhe ports some, but that doesn't add weight. I guess I'm just confused why we're so desperate to prove that the 460 is heavier.

Well, I do not see it as desperate by any means. But you yourself Brad know that a fact is fact. Thats all. Nothin more nothin less.

 

[NORMZILLA44]

Just that when brought up, it was argued immediately instead of interesting, it could be heavier? How so, or let's find out or where did you come to the conclusion? You know Brad just trying to be open minded LOL!

 

[young]

Well, I do not see it as desperate by any means. But you yourself Brad know that a fact is fact. Thats all. Nothin more nothin less.

SINCE WHEN??!?!?!?!

this is 15.10 pound which is 15 pounds and 1.6 OZs

 

[blsnelling]

Honestly, I have never heard of the 460 being heavier than the 046. I'm aware of no significant differences in the saw, so would expect them to be very close. I don't follow the chainsaw weight thread.

 

[NORMZILLA44]

Brad, go further back way back. First run of the saw, or so. Dual port muffler, and no limiter cap's. I almost bet the carb isn't the same design, and or manufacturer.

 

[blsnelling]

Brad, go further back way back. First run of the saw, or so. Dual port muffler, and no limiter cap's. I almost bet the carb isn't the same design, and or manufacturer.

I don't call a carb and a muffler a significant change, certainly not ones that would affect weight like was being insisted. BTW, you can't go back any further than the 046 picture here. That's my Dads saw that was bought the very first month they became available.

 

[blsnelling]

SINCE WHEN??!?!?!?!

Right here's proof of why I was skeptical of the purported weight gain. What I know of this model simply doesn't support it. Obviously, there must have been fuel or oil in the heavier saw.

 

[NORMZILLA44]

As far as the carb, and muffler I was implying for the power. Old 046 vs new ms460 stock carb, and muffler power side. But restrictive mufflers can be hevier sure. There is a mix of info, even earlier 046's powerhead's being weighed at 14.6 lb's, and 5.6bhp. Some of the power and weight we saw a difference, was the 98-99 models outcut the 01-02 cant remeber when the ms first came. But the best runners we saw were around 98-99. That was stock for stock in every day logging. Landing, falling, bucking, working under the yarder. In fact when the newer models came, my friends still used those year 046 mag's. I am implying that that was when they had the best power to weight.

 

[MacLaren]

Right here's proof of why I was skeptical of the purported weight gain. What I know of this model simply doesn't support it. Obviously, there must have been fuel or oil in the heavier saw.

So now the 460 is LIGHTER than an 046? Ok so beit then. The MS460 is lighter than a 046
Im certainly glad Young pointed that out. I had NO IDEA the MS460 was LIGHTER than a 046!!!! Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[indiansprings]

I own both, an old ragged out 046 and a year old 460, I can't tell any noticeable difference in weight. The rubber grip on the handle went from smooth to ribbed and the gas tank molding changed slightly at the opening to facilitate the flippy caps. Both have been great saws, the only noticeable difference is that the 460 is ported and the 046 is not, big difference in power.

 

[paccity]

:msp_rolleyes: the airfilter was real dirty.

 

[NORMZILLA44]

LOL! I love it, hey some of the saws have the blue inner filter for spit back, some have the bolt on outer plastic housing. That could effect some weight minimal, but weight. But sure gas, and oil like you siad Brad. Who knows, but I do know this the guy's who schooled me on the 046, and 066, and alot of tree work. They have been in the wood's for generation's and hold weight in what they say.

 

[MacLaren]

LOL! I love it, hey some of the saws have the blue inner filter for spit back, some have the bolt on outer plastic housing. That could effect some weight minimal, but weight. But sure gas, and oil like you siad Brad. Who knows, but I do know this the guy's who schooled me on the 046, and 066, and alot of tree work. They have been in the wood's for generation's and hold weight in what they say.

No. This is fantastic news Norm! This means my 660 is LIGHTER than an 066!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[john inglis]

Who cares what it weighs

I have and occasionally use a jonsered 2051 and 2094 , husky 268 372 394 and stihl 460 s and 660 076 084 090 but the saw i use 90% of the time is the stihl 460 because it does it without fuss , not too bad on fuel and oils the chain reasonably tho not nearly as well as my old solo 616 . plenty of torque in the cut and so reliable my second and newer 460 sits dry unless i think it needs a run .

ps , i do run a mcculloch 850 a fair bit but only because its my old favorite and i cannot stand to leave it at home all the time.

 

[MattCrowe]

I recently sold my 460 to a mate been on the phone and he said he will drop it off tomorrow, have an 046 magnum in bits, for the point of the excercise i am going to screw it back together and drop them on my lovely wifes kitchen scales, its worth the no sex for a year to prove a point,regardless of what it says in the unofficial weight thread there is no way the 460 is heavier when both saws are dry...

I'm not giving up on this argument Norm/Maclaren, these have been my two main work saws for as long as i have had saws, the 460 got better than the 046, certainly didn't weigh half a kilo more.

Words were eaten on your 660 maclaren, but i'm planning on giving you a taste of yours on this one...