You ever try to do that with a Dealer they aint walmart. In fact most Dealers are jerky but not all of them.
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You ever try to do that with a Dealer they aint walmart. In fact most Dealers are jerky but not all of them.
zogger
Tree Freak
Do what with a dealer, bring back something while still under warranty? I know a commercial use warranty is very limited in time, but if it falls under that time, and it was my money buying an expensive tool that didn't work properly, yep, I'd take it back and if that dealer didn't do anything about it I'd keep bumping it up the food chain all the way I could.
I ain't the least bit shy about recovering something like 6-700 bucks if I feel like I got burned. I'd give it a serious shot anyway. Just kvetching on the internets doesn't get you much.
And *especially* if it was some dealer that I had bought a crapload of other expensive articles from in the past.
also note: it ain't me complaining here and just taking it in the shorts and wallet. If someone else wants to just eat an inferior disfunctional product, *and* pay top dollar planet earth for it, that's their call not mine. Buying the same or similar tool year after year then you buy the alleged "new and improved model" and it isn't half what the old model is..hell ya I'd be all over that trying to get my money back. If they claim something is professional use, and it always was, and now it has dropped to non professional use...nope, not acceptable. Hell, I'd take it to small claims even if they wouldn't take their lemon back. And I'd have proof in tow with me to show the judge, videos showing side by side cuts for example with the real "pro class" article.
If fordchevydodge was selling a 3/4 ton truck year after year and I went in and bought one as 3/4 ton truck and you tried to load 3/4 ton in it and it went flat and sagged and wallowed down the road, same thing, take it back.
OK, I am looking at stihlusa website. they most definitely "class" their saws, right there in their advertising and advising you which saw to buy. And under "professional tree care chainsaws"-note the word professional, meaning you are supposed to be using this thing to make money with on expensive commercial jobs-it lists the 201T in question.
Now, according to what is stated up above, you no longer can do the same fast cuts with it as the older 200T, and as such, it can no longer really be called professional class. And this is according to the guys who have used them so far, not me, I ain't got a dog in this fight other than not wanting to see folks screwed because of corporate screwups. You just *don't* have to take it if you push it hard enough. Look at that big toyota truck recall that is happening now with the inferior rusting out frames on some models and years. It took enough people really getting in their face about it with some actual proof, that's it, they are getting their money back. And proof in the chainsaw world should be fairly evident, back to back cutting with different saws showing old reliable versus new and not improved at all, but falling behind even.
Now if a someone or many someones don't feel like getting in stihl corporates face over this new saw that don't cut the mustard to a pro level *like they expected and paid for*, hey, not my lookout, just keep eating it and complaining on some forum..ya, that'll work.... Ain't no one gonna help until you at first help yourself.
bigredd
ArboristSite Guru
Zog:
Read your rant about the 201T. The problem is not one of an inferior product. The 201T performs as advertised; just not better than advertised like the 200T does without the spark arrester screen.
Read your rant about the 201T. The problem is not one of an inferior product. The 201T performs as advertised; just not better than advertised like the 200T does without the spark arrester screen.
BigUglySquirrel
ArboristSite Operative
Yeah...me too
I disliked the 201T from the moment I saw it. After running it a bit, the saw has NOT "waken up". I will say that feels more balanced at the end of the day. However, throttle response is crap, I don't care for alot of the 192T design features that ended up in the 201T, and I really don't feel like it pulls the chain through firewood nearly as well as the 200T. Brad...Ron's 201T is probably sitting on the shelf most of the week right now... we need to discuss getting that muffler modded to see if there's any hope at all for this machine.
I disliked the 201T from the moment I saw it. After running it a bit, the saw has NOT "waken up". I will say that feels more balanced at the end of the day. However, throttle response is crap, I don't care for alot of the 192T design features that ended up in the 201T, and I really don't feel like it pulls the chain through firewood nearly as well as the 200T. Brad...Ron's 201T is probably sitting on the shelf most of the week right now... we need to discuss getting that muffler modded to see if there's any hope at all for this machine.
It may take more than a muffler mod but still not difficult.
Factoring in carb mod ,muff mod and porting it can get pricey!
I don't think it would require porting. I'm talking timing advance and carb tuning. If possible I'd do a MM.
So who will be the first to send one to Brad ?
The nice thing about playing with the timing, is that it's reversible. That and carb tuning makes a big difference with the 261. Didn't MCW mention something about it being difficult to remove the limiters on the carb?
That sticks out in my mind yes he had a hell of a time and all the dremel marks to prove it as I recall.
Hey you guys should try a 12 inch bar that will pick up the chain speed for you.
I didn't think he messed with it, since he knew he was going to sell it. Same reason he wouldn't mod the plastic in order to mod the muffler.
I thought he did or he tried I better go back and look I thought that was the Muff mod that he didnt mess with?Page 1 in this link post 11
http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/182225.htm
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You were right. He also said it improved the throttle response.
But he dont like the saw:frown:
Prob, be interesting to see
<$600 will get one to your door with a MM, timing advance, and unlimited carb. That's a one time offer just so I can play with one
<$600 will get one to your door with a MM, timing advance, and unlimited carb. That's a one time offer just so I can play with one
Sorry I am a little bit low on dough at this time ask me whyView attachment 207464 and I do appreciate the offer and I thank you for that but I have ten MS 200Ts now and really cant use anymore saws at this time.
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ipkyss
ArboristSite Lurker
Dealer I go through took a 201T. Modded the muffler, removed the limiters and retuned it. His opinion was it was a waste of time as there was no noticeable cut time difference. And still very laggy. I guess the lag is a lot more aggravating then the power itself. Instead of pulling the trigger and making the cut. You kind of have to put the trigger, wait 1-2 seconds for it to rev up. Then make the cut. I guess I need to check out the sprocket on it, because even full throttle the chain does not seem to spin as quick at the 200T. Out of all the saw I have bought in the years. I honestly feel like Stihl owes me some money back on this one...
