Falling pics 11/25/09

[HuskStihl]

Thanks northy. If I ever try a "siz" it will just be for fun. It looks like a "horizontal block face". I use block faces to give the fibers more room to bend without pulling. The siz looks to give the swing a little more room to bend and not twist, which should keep it on the stump longer. How deep do you go on a "standard" (not full-face) siz?

 

[madhatte]

Siz is only half a block face. You want it to lift away from the side with the thin or absent hinge, then hold on to the side with the long hinge and lots of fiber bending room. Just start with a normal Humboldt pointing where you want the tree to go and pull the siz out of the side opposite the lean. Nip the hinge hard on the heavy side. Leave the hinge fat on the siz side and otherwise do the back cut more-or-less "as normal"; when the tree sits down on your bar, it's working. It should swing down on that momentum and then around to hang on the fat side until it swings around and closes the face. It should pull long fibers out of the stump.

 

[Gologit]

Siz is only half a block face. You want it to lift away from the side with the thin or absent hinge, then hold on to the side with the long hinge and lots of fiber bending room. Just start with a normal Humboldt pointing where you want the tree to go and pull the siz out of the side opposite the lean. Nip the hinge hard on the heavy side. Leave the hinge fat on the siz side and otherwise do the back cut more-or-less "as normal"; when the tree sits down on your bar, it's working. It should swing down on that momentum and then around to hang on the fat side until it swings around and closes the face. It should pull long fibers out of the stump.

...and try not to get your saw hung up. Right?

 

[madhatte]

...and try not to get your saw hung up. Right?

That is exactly right. Rot doesn't do you any favors in this context. Once it sits down, it's down for good if it's not moving.

 

[HuskStihl]

...and try not to get your saw hung up. Right?

Oh, the tragic foreshadowing.........
Just for grins.....
Tree was leaning 120 degrees from the face, with pretty good limb weight hurting the turn

I swear I was thinking "it's gonna sit, don't pinch u'r tip, it's gonna sit, don't pinch u'r tip....DOH!"

Honestly, thank goodness for the soft Dutch, I felt it go after I pinched the tip, and around it came

Obligatory stump shot

 

[Metals406]

It's really easy to have them sit on your bar tip, & you have to wait for them to roll around. Not as uncommon as you might think, & it happens quick.

Also, take note how the initial face closed and broke your siz. That can be a tool to use.

A steeper face will not close, and the siz fibers will hold a little longer. Give it a try.

Filming your stuff is an excellent training tool, because you can watch cause and effect after the fact.

 

[Trx250r180]

You cracked yer stump .

 

[madhatte]

Filming your stuff is an excellent training tool, because you can watch cause and effect after the fact.

I wish I had done more of that earlier on.

 

[HuskStihl]

It's really easy to have them sit on your bar tip, & you have to wait for them to roll around. Not as uncommon as you might think, & it happens quick.

Also, take note how the initial face closed and broke your siz. That can be a tool to use.

A steeper face will not close, and the siz fibers will hold a little longer. Give it a try.

Filming your stuff is an excellent training tool, because you can watch cause and effect after the fact.

Thanks. I've never had much luck turning hackberry, and that one turned better than most. I'll try sniping the face or "swansonning" it next time

 

[bitzer]

Quit hittn yer throttle Jon when it sits down! Otherwise it gives the impression you don't know whats going on!

You better not show that black magic in the saw section. You will get burned at the stake.

It sure is fun messin with swing cuts. The way it came off the stump it looked like it went beyond the face. Throw a snipe in the butt next time. Also do you see where you bypassed the top of your fibers? You don't want that. Clean it up with the saw. Those fibers are severed there. That will cause the fibers behind it to break early too.

Reading back I see Northy covered the bypass.

 

[bitzer]

Is that website a joke?

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Nope its real. Some guy wanted to pay me to do that to his woods. I told him no. Guys pay big money for advice from guys like that in the video. Its crazy to me because we have so many fn deer around here its not even funny.

 

[KiwiBro]

One of these days, someone so inclined will have two cameras - one at the tree and one in a drone hovering either directly above the tree or off to the side and above to best show the swing. That would be an interesting perspective.

Then, instead of handbags at dawn over tenths of seconds on cookies cuts, it'll be tenths of degrees.

 

[HuskStihl]

Northy's description was perfect, I just couldn't quite control the saw as well as I wanted.

 

[northmanlogging]

Northys descri

WUT!

I think we all need to find a nice alder thicket and a truck full of "soda" cans and see if we can flatten em all on the swing... Before an ambulance is called...

 

[Gypo Logger]

It's good that you are trying new felling cuts Jon, but the way I see it is that the game of logging is just too dangerous to be donkey dinking around.

 

[rwoods]

Gypo, if those high lift jacks aren't more dangerous than the game of logging then they are a close second. Very handy, but dangerous. Ron

 

[Gypo Logger]

Gypo, if those high lift jacks aren't more dangerous than the game of logging then they are a close second. Very handy, but dangerous. Ron

I hear ya, the handle of the jack hit me at least a dozen times in the chin before the tree did a 180. Lol

 

[HuskStihl]

I'm definitely just a messer-arounder.

 

[Gypo Logger]

I'm definitely just a messer-arounder.

Most of my stuff I've learned were from these guys.

 

[Metals406]

One of these days, someone so inclined will have two cameras - one at the tree and one in a drone hovering either directly above the tree or off to the side and above to best show the swing. That would be an interesting perspective.

Then, instead of handbags at dawn over tenths of seconds on cookies cuts, it'll be tenths of degrees.

My buddy not only has trees fir me to cut, but he has a drone too.

I might try to make this happen.