You can make more power with e85 but use alot more to do it basically. In turbo applications anyway. Less detonation and run more boost.
What E10 is good for!
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Wow, pathetic. Quite surprised at you.
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thompsoncustom
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Years ago I ran 10% ethanol vs non-ethanol in a car that got 45ish miles to the gallon (3 cylinder metro) and tracked the mileage all the time making mods to the car to improve it. I remember running 10% ethanol cost me 5 MPG so the cost ended up being the same to run non-ethanol not sure if that still holds true today. There is less btu's in ethanol than gas so it's always going to produce less power gallon for gallon.
I believe Mexicans eat a LOT of corn meal made from dent corn. Is there a single common meal they eat that doesn't use corn?
We don't have a huge Mexican population around here, but still, the Mex foods aisle in WalMart stocks 25# bags of corn meal...
https://www.thespruceeats.com/guide-to-mexican-corn-2342817
Bill G
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Are they starving?
Bill G
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Do you think they are eating all of the corn?
There is not as much energy stored in the chemical bonds of an alcohol compared to a hydrocarbon. Part of the molecule of an alcohol is already oxidized.
You can do the calculations. Take an equal mass or volume of alcohol vs hydrocarbon and convert it to carbon dioxide and water (ideal situation). Would make a good freshman college chemistry exam question.
Methane gives you the most output , as the single carbon atom is fully reduced, then saturated hydrocarbons, followed by alkenes, then aromatics.
An analogy would be to compare burning white pine vs oak in your woodstove. You get more heat from the oak. Although that is not the same chemically.
The reason Indy cars use methanol is more complex. Alcohols have a higher heat of vaporization, so there is a cooling effect on the mixture coming into the cylinder. Since it is cooler it is also more dense, that is more fuel mixture gets into the cylinder for a bigger bang. The cooler mixture also allows higher compression ratio without detonation. That along with alcohols have a higher "octane" rating, or tendency to detonate.
Man you are delusional.
Ethanol added to gasoline supports hard working farmers and provides good paying US jobs by costing everyone else money that they wouldn't have otherwise spent. It's nothing but a welfare scheme.
The ethanol added to gasoline takes more energy to produce than we get out of it. We're burning MORE fossil fuels by adding 10% ethanol to our fuel, not less fossil fuels. That means it's NOT a renewable fuel, it's making us get into more foreign wars to fight for oil(which I 10,000% disagree with us getting into, we should be leaving other people alone and burning our own oil), and sure as hell isn't saving lives.
You've said elsewhere that you farm corn. There's a reason you've bought into these lies, and your credibility on this subject is zero.
Bill G
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Well there is a reason you have bought into the propaganda you preach.
Volume-for-volume, ethanol contains only about 64% of the energy of conventional (100%) gasoline.
Another way of saying that is that ethanol contains 36% less energy, per unit of volume, than gasoline.
Conventional gasoline = 20,007 BTU/gallon. Ethanol = 12,832 BTU/gallon.
Mass-for-mass, the ratios are about the same.
A given mass of ethanol has only about 64% of the energy of the same mass of conventional gasoline.
Another way of saying that is that ethanol contains 36% less energy, per unit of mass, than gasoline.
Gasoline = 46.5 MJ/kg. Ethanol = 29.8 MJ/kg.
Source:
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/fossil-fuels-energy-content-d_1298.html
It's not renewable.
Farmers are one of the largest consumers of government subsidies. They don't need anymore help.
And ethanol does squat for either of your last two points.
Ethanol is nothing but farmer qelfare to the corn states. It's not beneficial at all and to the contrary is detrimental.
We are mining our soil to produce ethanol.
We are mining our soil to produce ethanol.
DING DING DING DING DING
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
As they say in journalism, "Follow da munny."
Bill G
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I would love to hear your vast knowledge of "government farm subsidies"
By the way who is it you work for again?
Bill G
ArboristSite King
What would you have us do with the soil?
By the way remind me, who is it you work for?
Bill G
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