cutting boundary general rules to go by ?

[Trx250r180]

starting a new thread on general rules most cutters have to go by ,is there a setback from property line ? so many feet ? and by creeks ? i know i need to be so many feet,i think its 60-100 feet but not positive , from the creek on my property because salmon spawn in it ,there are some exceptions such as a danger tree i think if its 1 and a half the length of the tree by your home you are able to take it down ,i may be wrong ,iv'e been told that by some local fallers ,ive also noticed blue paint marks on trees on neighboring propertys ,they were left when it was thinned ,is it a rule those cant go ? i'm sure rules are different for different regions ,i know if i take one of the neighbors trees by mistake i have to pay 3 times the value it would sell for ,is that a rule anywhere else ?

 

[slowp]

It isn't cut and dried. Different counties/states/towns/ have different rules. Private property timber harvest in our fair state is overseen by the DNR. The state Forest Practices Act would prescribe creek buffers needed.

Paint color meaning differs also.

Hazard trees? If they are my property here, I can cut or have them cut down--no worries. But if I want to have a timber sale, I need to have a harvest plan approved by the DNR.

 

[OlympicYJ]

As slowp said different strokes for different folks. How big is your property? In WA that has a lot to do with how close you can get. If less than 25 ac you can do quite a bit. Get ahold of the DNR and the forest practices forester for clarification. The 3 times value is arbitrary. Up to the judge how much the timber trespass will be but 3 times is a general rule.

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[Trx250r180]

i have a 5 acre parcel ,corners have been surveyed ,there is ribbons yellow and red in various points ,corners have white stakes ,i think they may have even put a pipe in ground with a tag on them in the corners ,id like to take some of the bigger fir and cedar along edges for lumber ,whats best way to get the line ? laser maybe ? i can eyeball 2 of the corners ,is a gps on a smart phone pretty accurate ?

 

[H 2 H]

It isn't cut and dried. Different counties/states/towns/ have different rules. Private property timber harvest in our fair state is overseen by the DNR. The state Forest Practices Act would prescribe creek buffers needed.

Paint color meaning differs also.

Hazard trees? If they are my property here, I can cut or have them cut down--no worries. But if I want to have a timber sale, I need to have a harvest plan approved by the DNR.

I'll add Watershed Groups to that list (Stilly and Skagit)

I was on two different Watershed Groups Council for many years and it was different between them

 

[H 2 H]

i have a 5 acre parcel ,corners have been surveyed ,there is ribbons yellow and red in various points ,corners have white stakes ,i think they may have even put a pipe in ground with a tag on them in the corners ,id like to take some of the bigger fir and cedar along edges for lumber ,whats best way to get the line ? laser maybe ? i can eyeball 2 of the corners ,is a gps on a smart phone pretty accurate ?

I really don't think so (smart phone)

One thing (case) I had to work on in the Skagit Watershed was a land sale in the mid 00 and the land surveyor only went off two points and he should have went off three points (I can't remember the real name they used for points; corners of land); witch made one land owner lose about 90 feet deep section of his property over 1/2 mile long

The corners were mark with a pipe (in the ground) plus white stacks with blue ribbon

 

[roberte]

i have a 5 acre parcel ,corners have been surveyed ,there is ribbons yellow and red in various points ,corners have white stakes ,i think they may have even put a pipe in ground with a tag on them in the corners ,id like to take some of the bigger fir and cedar along edges for lumber ,whats best way to get the line ? laser maybe ? i can eyeball 2 of the corners ,is a gps on a smart phone pretty accurate ?

Last fall I had to cut for an easement road to access an 8 acre parcel. 300+- road with 2 corners and and intermediate ribbon. Now I had a power pole for one corner, a stake for the other & the midline ribbon.
Once I cut the trash out of the way, it was easy to see whats my side of the line. The fun part was laying it all down in a 30 foot strip, only needed a mechanical push for 1, yeah right whatever.
On another parcel, surveryor set clearing limits (ribbon) every 30 to 40 feet.
If in doubt leave it

 

[slowp]

My dad, an unlicensed surveyor/engineer would get upset when I told him we ran our boundary traverses using a Silva Ranger Compass. He'd fume and declare that you must only use a transit and chain to get accurate results. Now, our timber sale boundaries were usually not bordering private land, so straying off a bit was no big deal, and when there was adjoining private land, that landline was run by a real survey crew, not just a couple of foresters with a compass.

 

[Trx250r180]

My dad, an unlicensed surveyor/engineer would get upset when I told him we ran our boundary traverses using a Silva Ranger Compass. He'd fume and declare that you must only use a transit and chain to get accurate results. Now, our timber sale boundaries were usually not bordering private land, so straying off a bit was no big deal, and when there was adjoining private land, that landline was run by a real survey crew, not just a couple of foresters with a compass.

my step dad had a logging company since the early 80's ,he recently retired ,somehow he could find property corners with a compass ,he tried to explain true north and magnetic north were different ,but he was able to still find the corners somehow

 

[ChrisIsThis]

trx250r180
i have a 5 acre parcel ,corners have been surveyed ,there is ribbons yellow and red in various points ,corners have white stakes ,i think they may have even put a pipe in ground with a tag on them in the corners ,id like to take some of the bigger fir and cedar along edges for lumber ,whats best way to get the line ? laser maybe ? i can eyeball 2 of the corners ,is a gps on a smart phone pretty accurate ?

Simply: no.

 

[roberte]

trx250r180
i have a 5 acre parcel ,corners have been surveyed ,there is ribbons yellow and red in various points ,corners have white stakes ,i think they may have even put a pipe in ground with a tag on them in the corners ,id like to take some of the bigger fir and cedar along edges for lumber ,whats best way to get the line ? laser maybe ? i can eyeball 2 of the corners ,is a gps on a smart phone pretty accurate ?

Simply: no.

some of those "smart phones" need to be placed in the face cut of a 30"+- (insert tree of choice) and then back cut

 

[OlympicYJ]

Simply put even a good GPS is too inaccurate. Any fences on the line? The line should be re-established and clearly marked by a licensed surveyor if there's any doubt about the line.

As I'm sure you know slowp those compasses can be pretty darn accurate if used properly.

Oh and having 5 acres you can do a lot more near your stream than you would think.

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[forestryworks]

Was surprised by the GPS app on my phone - accuracy is +- 12-15'. Wouldn't rely on it for boundary surveys though, but it works good for my restoration needs.

 

[northmanlogging]

If the trees your looking at cutting are close to a fuzzy property line leave em, and get a professional survey done, I do know how tempting it is to take em anyway, but that's how things go bad. Take the time to get a permit, it will save you money in the long run.

As far as water goes... depends on the county/river/tribe/weather lots of variables, but thats why we have to pay the DNR so they can figure it out.

Not sure about where your at but here in snohomish and skagit counties, a danger tree is tree length and 1/2 from any structure, barns, sheds, houses, chicken coops, whatever... and you do not need a permit to fell them, but they cannot leave your property. you can mill it, burn it, chip, whatever...


Boat loads of timber is fell and sold off the property because its a danger tree without a permit...
Its not legal... get it... but it happens on a regular basis:msp_wink:

 

[hammerlogging]

a discussion with the adjacent landowner can be helpful in resolving a fuzzy line issue, also could be not helpful, but maybe an option. A line is a line though, so surveyed or whatever, if its on your side , you can cut it. If there seems to be some disput, don't cut it and don't push it, for example, "on the line" or "mostly on my side of the line".

the other questions, which were many, are pretty simple things you can look up

 

[OlympicYJ]

The state of Washington allows for one log truck load of logs a yr without having to pay the cutting tax. Do what you want with em if it's a load or less.

 

[Trx250r180]

heres the blue paint i was talking about ,are you able to take the blue ones or they have to stay normally ? View attachment 291404View attachment 291405

 

[slowp]

heres the blue paint i was talking about ,are you able to take the blue ones or they have to stay normally ? View attachment 291404View attachment 291405

The picture doesn't come up and it is up to whoever owns the trees as to what color they use. The Forest Service--a federal agency with massive acres of forest, has a paint color system. That's them. That does not mean that other land owners have to follow it. In fact, the FS can't always use the mandated colors because they often remark old units that were not cut. I know of one area where every color of paint is in the unit. To top it off, that unit will be marked by the logger who can use any color of paint to do so.

Confused yet?

What I'm saying is that you'll have to ask the landowner about the blue trees. I don't know.