441 or 460.... ?

[Bowtie]

Slamm, you are right. The 441 is a damn nice saw, and how little fuel it uses blew me away. The people that bash it I do not understand at all.

The only reason I sold mine was CAD. I wanted to try 7900, and I did, then sold it too, lol.

(Im still sayin 460) Both are fine saws!

 

[Evan]

im not bashing the 441 im just putn old school tough/reliability before it

id have the 441 over a ton of 60cc saws

i like the 441 because its a clean saw and keeps saws like the 460 and 660 in production.

 

[Slamm]

Slamm, you are right. The 441 is a damn nice saw, and how little fuel it uses blew me away. The people that bash it I do not understand at all.

The only reason I sold mine was CAD. I wanted to try 7900, and I did, then sold it too, lol.

(Im still sayin 460) Both are fine saws!

LOL, I like the 460 too. Its just from a production, profitability and comfort point of vew the 460 just can't beat the 441.

I guess, one guy put "modability" as a PRO for the 460, but in my opinion, you are going to need to run a modded 460 against the 441 in order to get more wood cut at the end of the day or week or month or year. I'm not talking about cookie cutting I'm talking about the whole package and the 441 is one of the tighter packages that Stihl makes. I admittedly don't know anything about Huskies.

I have heard other speak of the 441 not being around long enough to test their reliability, but this is hogwash as well, because I'm pretty sure the same or similiar engine is used in the concrete saws and that is a much worse environment than woodchips/dust.

Again, I don't say good things about the 441 in order to knock the 460, in its day it was and still is a great saw, but from a production point of view it can't beat the 441. The only people that think it can is those that haven't tried them and about .05% of those that have.

My opinion,

Sam

 

[Evan]

yup both saws very productive. one would have to skip lunch to be more productive then the other and probly also skip smoke breaks.

 

[superfire]

i say

id go with the ms460. i have the 460 and love it,. the dealer i bought my 460 from told me if i need a saw that can run all day with a 36" bar go for the 460.. my dealer said that the 441 is only good for a 32" bar max and that the av can not take the weight of a 36" bar and chain. locally the 460 is the saw most used by the timber fallers.

 

[porsche965]

I personally don't care for the sound of the Strato saws, 362 which I've run, and the 441 which I have not run.

At a Timber expo in Ohio when they were running the 441 and 362 from afar off I thought there was something wrong the way they sounded to me. Just my opinion. I guess it just takes some getting used to.

The MS and "0" series with mods sound much heavier, like a big block engine sorta.

I'm going to buy the MS460 while it is still here. And two to keep in boxes.

Time will come when all there is are Strato Saws and people will look back and wish they put a couple pre-epa saws away for later.

 

[Wild Knight]

The bottom line is that both are 70+cc saws and are gonna rip wood. You could do worse that buying either the 441 or 460. But, since you are here on AS and obviously an enthusiast, then I will tell you why the 441 is better.

1) four port transfers (why the 361 has more power and a better torque curve than the 360) - 460 jug is old school. Reliable? Absolutely! Powerful? 2 can't compete with 4...
2) upgraded AV technology - this thing is smooth running. It will only feel "springy" to you when the chain goes dull and you really start torquing on it in the cut. Otherwise, its smooth as butter.
3) air filter technology - stay really, really clean. You can run the saw all day and their is no loss of air flow, possibly affecting your fuel ratio
4) fuel efficiency - less exhaust to breath and longer run times per tank of fuel
5) everyone loves a fat-bottom girl!

If you want to turn your saw into a competition screamer, then get the 460. If you want a strong running stock saw, that according to Slinger, Sneller and Erick, takes well to mods, then get the 441.

I've written more in the past, so check out this thread: http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?p=1674585#post1674585

Bottom line, every guy who has run my 441 at the GTG's (Gink ran mine this summer) has said "Why does everyone hate this say. This saw is smooth and has plenty of power."

 

[Bowtie]

im not bashing the 441 im just putn old school tough/reliability before it

id have the 441 over a ton of 60cc saws

i like the 441 because its a clean saw and keeps saws like the 460 and 660 in production.

I didnt mean you, Evan.

 

[Bowtie]

I personally don't care for the sound of the Strato saws, 362 which I've run, and the 441 which I have not run.

At a Timber expo in Ohio when they were running the 441 and 362 from afar off I thought there was something wrong the way they sounded to me. Just my opinion. I guess it just takes some getting used to.

The MS and "0" series with mods sound much heavier, like a big block engine sorta.

I'm going to buy the MS460 while it is still here. And two to keep in boxes.

Time will come when all there is are Strato Saws and people will look back and wish they put a couple pre-epa saws away for later.

I never ran a 362, but I thought the 441 sounded badass!!!

 

[jeepyfz450]

ive never ran a 441 but would love to. ive never even ran a 460 for that matter. i do own a 046 thought and its a beast. i guess if i had to pick one for my collection it would be the 441 just because i already have the 046

 

[Wild Knight]

I never ran a 362, but I thought the 441 sounded badass!!!

I agree. It's not as deep and throaty as a modded 440/460. It's different, but completely bad-a$$!

 

[jburlingham]

To answer your question directly and not input any other options Id go 460, that said I have run a 460 rescue model and never touched a 441.

 

[Evan]

the rougher ride is usualy tougher and the longer lasting of the bunch. this goes for things from saws to trucks and women.

grab a beer this rounds on me

 

[JLA]

I'd go with the 460 all day long myself. It's always been my personal favorite Stihl. It doesn't have any damn "vibes" .... I love how all of a sudden all the rubber mount Stihls will rattle your arms off .... it's B/S. Rubber mounts are tough too, better not go yanking on your spring saw when it gets bound up. Now it seems the great 441 will even out-cut the 460. Before it was "right on the heels" of a stock 460 .... it probably out-cuts the MS660 too pretty soon. Strato equals EPA saw period .... just so happens that in the Stihl brand they never had "anti-vibe" or filtration in the past .... you want it now, you get the strato part along with it. The 441 is actually a tiny bit heavier than a 460, and it doesn't handle anything like one either. Many have called the 441 bulky .... go measure one against a 460 .... it's the same length and same case width .... the chain brake handle is maybe 1" higher on the 441, didn't have to be but they made it that way. It feels bulky because of the way it's balanced .... and the way it looks. All rounded off like the modern day "all look the same" floater cars. Oh, and those short, stiff air cleaner cover clips on the 441 suck .... the clips on the Husky are much better .... about the only thing better on the Husky though ..... but it is (372XP) near a whole pound lighter ... and it has anti-vibe, and filtration, and it's not a government mandated strato.

I don't vote my driveway .... I have 2-MS460's, 1-MS441, 1- MS361, and 1 - 372XP in modern saws .... the 460's would be the last to go. First gone is a tie between the 441 and the 372 .... mainly because of all the back yard engineered stuff on the Husky .... can't beat Stihl build quality and design. If the MS440 was still on the shelf new there wouldn't be near the 441's sold .... get the 460 while you still can .... at least go handle both with the exact same bars before you make a decision. The 441 isn't "that" bad ..... but the only way it's ever going to dethrown the 460 is when the latter is no longer available. Just like the Husky 575/576 can't touch the 372XP in popularity right now. Just like minty MS440's sell on Ebay for more than they cost brand new. Just like about every otheR day another mint MS441 pops up on Ebay .... several on there last time I looked at the same time. Even saw I think 3 almost brand new MS362's on the auction block already .... they just came out. You can buy a strato anytime .... days of the real saws are limited.

 

[fishercat]

i have ran a few 441s.

I think you have hit it on the head with this statement:

"I'm begining to wonder if they have really ran one (441) or are just giving opinions that have no basis?"

There are two Stihl dealers that I frequent and both sell a lot 441 with 100% customer satisfaction in their choosen model. The owner of one store stated in his experience of selling saws, they had the highest customer satisfaction as per his sales.

The 460 just doesn't have anything on the 441, while the 441 has several advantages over the 460.

Sam

they don't impress me with more than a 20" bar.

give me the 460 any day.

 

[porsche965]

Forgot to mention my Dealer in Ohio has had some problems with the Timbermen breaking the top spring on the 441. Not bashing the 441, just stating what they told me, and they were promoting the 441 to me. But I am not a Pro by a long shot and they know that.
All the guys that sell the saws there also repair them so they know what they are talking about.
I asked them if they are selling the Timbermen the 441s and they said they don't even suggest it after the spring problems they have had. Maybe defective springs or this guys are just over the top hard on equipment.

I like my women with "little boy hips", no fat bottom girls here, so for me the MS460 is my choice before they are discontinued.

Actually there are some 460s, like new buys out there around the $600 range or below. I think that is a good buy, but once discontinued they will go up in value like the 044/440s.

 

[superfire]

another note

as far as i m concerned if a 70cc strato can pull a 36" fully buried and dawged into a log that will be the day i will buy one. me i see it as a hybrid car versus a muscle car. i will take the muscle car any day of the week. one big advantage the 460 has is the amount of parts for that series. the 441 will not take a pnw full wrap,my sawz are all capable of this. the 460 is a draft horse the 441 is a thoroughbred. muscle beats speed. i have come to the conclusion one needs two sawz one that runs a 20" bar and a saw that runs a 28" and a 36"
opcorn:

 

[Wild Knight]

I posted this in another thread, but here is the comparison directly.

http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?p=1674178&highlight=weight#post1674178

 

[Evan]

ported 440 32" wood just barely past the tip.
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[stihl sawing]

Both have pros and cons. Antivibe isn't much to me but the 441 is smoother. The 441 has a better air filter system but I don't mind cleaning the 460's filter. There are a butt load more modded 460s out there but 441s mod well also. My choice? Get both.

Best answer yet.lol I would not trade my 460 for a 441. It might be a nice saw but just didn't feel right to me.