I say if you need to snap off more than two rounds you're not defending yourself, you're in a war.lol
I use low recoil personal defense rounds. They look similar to the rounds you use.
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I say if you need to snap off more than two rounds you're not defending yourself, you're in a war.lol
I use low recoil personal defense rounds. They look similar to the rounds you use.
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You're right Brad. I have a Tikka T3 Stainless Varmint in .25/06 Rem but also a Win Mod 70 in .22/250 40° Ackley Improved with a 1:10 27" Krieger SS barrel. You'd think a 55 Grain V-Max at 4000fps would thump a 100gn .257" Ballistic Tip at 3400fps. Not the case at all. Past 150m the .25/06 eats it and is just as accurate - not bad for a stock, untouched rifle.
Here's whats in that gun for those that may not know what wadcutter is. The copper shell around the lead is pre cut with 8 small grooves. When it impacts something the bullet expands real fast leaving a huge hole on its way out. Nailed a groundhog with it a few years back. He was stealing my cukes out in the garden, he never knew what hit him but his insides came out his backside about 20 feet past him, nasty bullet, one deadly mofo..
In Australia that would be called a hollow point. Very messy
Which of course is the idea 
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I say if you need to snap off more than two rounds you're not defending yourself, you're in a war.lol
I use low recoil personal defense rounds. They look almost exactly like the rounds you use.
You got the right type of ammo there. The main thing about a self defence gun is using a round that will push the person coming at you backwards. A bullet that expands fast on impact will do that. A solid hard core bullet will pass through too easy unless it strikes a bone.
I read some gun magazine not long ago that said the old Colt .45 was and still is the best defensive gun in the world. Its slow but when it hits and expands they claim it will push a 200 lb man backwards. A man coming at you with a knife needs to be pushed backwards after you plant one in him. If he keeps coming after being hit it gets ugly for both..
THALL10326
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You're right Brad. I have a Tikka T3 Stainless Varmint in .25/06 Rem but also a Win Mod 70 in .22/250 40° Ackley Improved with a 1:10 27" Krieger SS barrel. You'd think a 55 Grain V-Max at 4000fps would thump a 100gn .257" Ballistic Tip at 3400fps. Not the case at all. Past 150m the .25/06 eats it and is just as accurate - not bad for a stock, untouched rifle.
In Australia that would be called a hollow point. Very messy
That model 70 you have, a pre64 model? I had a later model 70, the one everyone screamed was no good, had to get that pre64 one. Ha, it was a 270 and that thing shot GREAT. Best handling deer rifle I ever owned. Anytime the trigger was pulled something died. Very accurate gun that thing was. That one got 60 grains of IMR4831, a Speer 130 grain spitzer hunting round, a Federal primer. That gun loved that load and I never found Speer to be all that great but that gun loved them.
Jack O'Connor, late Sports Afield writer, swore by the Model 70 in 270. He felt it was the best all around hunting gun in the world..
That's a .40 cal in my pic
I've seen some testing results between the .40 and .45 and it appears the .40 is as good as the .45, but it was really too close to call. I've been wanting a nice Sig 1911 in .45
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Hi Matt.
I think they're the same thing, but I'm not %100 sure. It's been a while since I was really into firearms.
They are almost the samething, the hollow point and wadcutter. The slight differance is the wadcutter has more soft lead exposed at the tip. The lead impacts before the copper shell. Doing so the copper shell is being forced to open quickly by the expanding lead pushing back into it. Both leave one nasty mess for someone to clean up..
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That's a .40 cal in my pic
I've seen some testing results between the .40 and .45 and it appears the .40 is as good as the .45, but it was really too close to call. I've been wanting a nice Sig 1911 in .45
Any idea how much money John Browning made off his design of the Colt 45, its gotta be a bunch. The 40 and 45 are very close indeed.
I read that a Colt 45 can actually be shot under water and the gun will not be damaged. Not something I'll ever try though.
It's unbelievable how long the 
.45 round has been around, It says a lot.
.45 round has been around, It says a lot.
MCW
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You're right Tom. The ideal round is one that can leave all or most of it's energy in the target, not in the wall behind them. Older reports I have on testing stopping power were based on live goats. Can't remember the name of the test but from memory the rounds were tested on mature, similar weighted male Boer Goats. The .45 ACP was always on top as far as handguns go although I'm aware that ammo and some newer calibres may have changed that. The fact remains though that if it would kill you dead in 1965 it'd kill you just as dead now.
Nothing beats a 12 guage close up though. Except for maybe a 10 guage
Whats going to hurt more, a tennis ball at 100mph or a brick at 40mph? OK, the tennis ball would still hurt
Nah my Model 70 is after '64. There is a lot of hype about the older actions. I've seen and shot a few but to be honest you get good ones and bad ones, just like post '64 Mod 70's. Mine will shoot 1/2" groups at 100m and even with the old badly pitted, standard blued barrel in plain old .22/250 Rem the Mod 70 would still shoot 1" groups easily. My stock Tikka T3 .25/06 and bedded and floated CZ Model 527 .222 are also good for 1/2" groups at 100m
My .25/06 loves 100gn Nosler Ballistic Tips, my .22/250 40° Ackley loves 55gn Ballistic Tips or V-Max's, and my .222 loves everything
Although I prefer Speer 50gn TNT for what I use it for.I haven't done much shooting lately due to chainsaws but I used to do heaps. Mainly kangaroos under permit on farms next to national parks or heritage listed scrubland. All they are is a bloody breeding ground for crop wrecking animals like roos, emus, rabbits, and now goats in my region. I've dropped 10's of 1000's of kangaroos and despite that they're still everywhere - certainly not endangered as many people overseas are led to believe by mobs like PETA.
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In Australia a wadcutter round is flat fronted and designed to punch a circle of paper out of a target so you can see where your round went and it's easier to score
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You're right Tom. The ideal round is one that can leave all or most of it's energy in the target, not in the wall behind them. Older reports I have on testing stopping power were based on live goats. Can't remember the name of the test but from memory the rounds were tested on mature, similar weighted male Boer Goats. The .45 ACP was always on top as far as handguns go although I'm aware that ammo and some newer calibres may have changed that. The fact remains though that if it would kill you dead in 1965 it'd kill you just as dead now.
Nothing beats a 12 guage close up though. Except for maybe a 10 guage
Whats going to hurt more, a tennis ball at 100mph or a brick at 40mph? OK, the tennis ball would still hurt
Nah my Model 70 is after '64. There is a lot of hype about the older actions. I've seen and shot a few but to be honest you get good ones and bad ones, just like post '64 Mod 70's. Mine will shoot 1/2" groups at 100m and even with the old badly pitted, standard blued barrel in plain old .22/250 Rem the Mod 70 would still shoot 1" groups easily. My stock Tikka T3 .25/06 and bedded and floated CZ Model 527 .222 are also good for 1/2" groups at 100m
My .25/06 loves 100gn Nosler Ballistic Tips, my .22/250 40° Ackley loves 55gn Ballistic Tips or V-Max's, and my .222 loves everything
I haven't done much shooting lately due to chainsaws but I used to do heaps. Mainly kangaroos under permit on farms next to national parks or heritage listed scrubland. All they are is a bloody breeding ground for crop wrecking animals like roos, emus, rabbits, and now goats in my region. I've dropped 10's of 1000's of kangaroos and despite that they're still everywhere - certainly not endangered as many people overseas are led to believe by mobs like PETA.
Well I haven't been into guns in like 25-30 years. Man at one time though we had that RCBS Rockchucker press humming with reloading. I'm not even sure that press is still made. Back in the day it was the standard if you wanted to reload. I do like the notion I can still recall some of my favorite reloads right down to the primer. I'm much older now but my memory still works pretty good. Guns bring back alot of good memories,
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Now why am I not surprised to find guys who want to modify chainsaws also have an interest in gunsmithing and reloading. - I've got enough various cans of powder out in the shed that I can't see me ever using it all up in this lifetime.
Now why am I not surprised to find guys who want to modify chainsaws also have an interest in gunsmithing and reloading. - I've got enough various cans of powder out in the shed that I can't see me ever using it all up in this lifetime.
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Well I haven't been into guns in like 25-30 years. Man at one time though we had that RCBS Rockchucker press humming with reloading. I'm not even sure that press is still made. Back in the day it was the standard if you wanted to reload. I do like the notion I can still recall some of my favorite reloads right down to the primer. I'm much older now but my memory still works pretty good. Guns bring back alot of good memories,
Yeah I'm the same. Factory ammo is worth a fortune over here. I can reload better rounds for less than half the price of factory stuff. I only buy factory ammo to fire form cases. My gear is all Redding and RCBS.
I use only ADI powders made in Australia and CCI match grade primers. I think these powders are still exported to the US and branded Hodgdon.
I've been that slack lately that despite having 1000's of loaded cases about 12 months ago I've got 1000's of empties instead. I'm even (heaven forbid) considering paying my brother to reload them all for me with my gear
He shoots competition benchrest so I think I can trust him
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It's unbelievable how long the
Its been around almost 100 years. My oldest brother was a Army Ranger in 1966-68. That was when Nam was really heating up. He was overthere and the stories he brought home were yikes. Took him 20 years though before he would even talk about Nam at all. Anyway this box shows up one day addressed to my mother from him. In it was a marble trophy with a gold figure of a man shooting a pistol mounted on it. He had won the marksman trophy shooting a Army issued Colt 45. He could really shoot a pistol good, I mean real good. Oddly he never cared for a Colt pistol of anykind. He preferred Smith&Wesson revolvers and High Standard .22 caliber target pistols for fun..
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Hope you haven't got more than 10kg Terry
Mr Plod will be angry Heh heh.
Well I think 10kg is the most you can have? I've cracked the limit a few times when someone has it cheap and didn't manage to disappear in a mushroom cloud.
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Since this forum is being monitored by the ESCHELON system, no, I don't have more than 10kgs. What I do have is a bunch of cans of a little bit of this and a little bit of that. You know the problem, ya gotta try something different just in case it will tighten the group up a fraction more. Pretty soon you have so many boxes of half used projectiles and partially filled cans of powder you can't find the loading bench.
Since this forum is being monitored by the ESCHELON system, no, I don't have more than 10kgs. What I do have is a bunch of cans of a little bit of this and a little bit of that. You know the problem, ya gotta try something different just in case it will tighten the group up a fraction more. Pretty soon you have so many boxes of half used projectiles and partially filled cans of powder you can't find the loading bench.
MCW
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I didn't mention 10kg of any specific product
Lets see Echelon find them apples However I know what you mean. I've given up load testing. I'm happy with what I've come up with now.
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Tom, that's a semi-jacketed hollow point. The middle cartridge in this pic is a wad cutter. It's designed to cut nice scoreable holes in paper targets. I reloaded for 10 years or so before jumping hobbies again. --Ian
