The MS261 is here!!

[parrisw]

Ah yes. The Stihl happy meal theory.
Sell 50 gazillion soy and worm burgers and declare them better than Moms Roast beef because they sell better.

Problem with that theory is, it only applies to those who sell the things.
The rest of us actually have to use them.

On another note, I only run one saw at a time.
Your numbers are meaningless to any end user with brain development past Herd instinct.

Ford Escorts racked up a million times more miles than Corvette in the same years.
By your definition, the Escort is the better car.LOL!!!!

Are you trying to say that Stihl is the Ford Escort of saws?
The Bic Mac of the nutrition world?:hmm3grin2orange:

LOL!!!
Ya keep selling those McStihls Tommy.
I'll swing through the drive through when i'm in a hurry and need to make a terd and don't mind the trots.

Are you the Ronald McStihl of sawdom? LOL!!!
All them Fat kids with greasy fingers sitting on your lap, with 2000 dressed up as the sawburgler running around swiping 200T's when you ain't looking? LOL!!!

I hope ya sell truckloads of them. LOL!!
Somebodys gotta.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

9.6 ounces is more than the difference you were calling significant just a couple weeks ago while defending the 260 LOL!!!

Just pointing out that if the 346 was heavy, the 261 is a boat anchor.
The 260 was the benchmark for weight. The 346 for everything else.

If anything the hypocracy is all yours.

You keep trying to make this a devisive matter.
Ya don't have to.

We all know Stihl could slap a sticker on a pointy rock tied to a stick and you would insist that it's a better saw than anything else.

Objective... I reckon it ain't possible with the Creamsickle Koolaid stains on your face. LOL!!

Now grab your McStihl nuggets and sit on Tommy McStihls lap and hush...Brads posting stuff...who knows the 261 might have a pair and we still don't know.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

Ok, that is freaking hilarious!!!!!!!!!!

 

[parrisw]

Ummm...my 346NE, the first one that tree_slinger ported, was, according to him, 54% faster after he ported it......

Two years later, it's still an awesome saw....a bit faster than my ehp 5100, which was the first or second 5100 that was ever ported, I think.

Yes I agree. Here in-lies the problem. And I'm going to say it before its all said and done, otherwise some people will call me out and just say I'm a cheerleader.

Slinger said he showed over 50% gain with a 346 he did. How much did Brad get out of his? Not sure.

I think a stock for stock is a better comparison. Because depending on the builder they outcome could be swayed? What if Brad does these two saws, and the 261 comes out on top?

Then what if someone else comes along and mods the same 2 saws and the 346 comes out on top? See what I'm saying, there are so many variables to this, when modding saws.

I personally don't care what saw comes out on top, I like the Husky design better. But that's just my opinion.

 

[SawTroll]

I cant read....:help:

Seriously though, all you folks bickering, stating "facts", arguing bout a freakin saw, sound like a bunch of kids debating on who's daddy can beat up who's daddy. This thread had great potential, now its just a big waste of bandwidth.....

I agree with the last sentence - I didn't want to mess the thread up with "brand wars", but some others obviously wanted it to be just that.

That aside, bottom line is that saw will probably perform very well, but not "spank" the other good 50cc saws, and it will far from handle like a 346xp in the woods - and that is not because of weight!

It also is a fact that Stihl seldom or never say anything that counts about handling in their marketing, while it is a major point for other brands - and those brands are not just blowing air.

 

[jrjuday]

It's bush &cheney's fault!!!!!!!

 

[RTK]

Thanks for all the work Brad, keep it coming!!

 

[Anthony_Va.]

Yes I agree. Here in-lies the problem. And I'm going to say it before its all said and done, otherwise some people will call me out and just say I'm a cheerleader.

Slinger said he showed over 50% gain with a 346 he did. How much did Brad get out of his? Not sure.

I think a stock for stock is a better comparison. Because depending on the builder they outcome could be swayed? What if Brad does these two saws, and the 261 comes out on top?

Then what if someone else comes along and mods the same 2 saws and the 346 comes out on top? See what I'm saying, there are so many variables to this, when modding saws.

I personally don't care what saw comes out on top, I like the Husky design better. But that's just my opinion.

Two biggest variables would be the builder, and which has the most room for improvement. I'm with you in thinking stock to stock is the best way, but unlike you, I'm pulling for the 261. :hmm3grin2orange:

But, at the same time, I'm not pulling against anyone.

I just like the way the 260 handles, more than I do the Husky 346xp. Thats the main reason I hav'ent bought a 346 yet. The 346 I have ran many times, is definetly a killer saw though. I guess the balance of the Stihl is more fit to me. The 346 cuts faster and thats a fact. So if this 261 handles as good as the 260, I will more than likely like it the most.

Thats why it's so good to have different choices though. It definetly is'nt anything to fight about. Everyone should be happy.

They should pass out chill pills at the homepage. :biggrinbounce2:

 

[SawTroll]

OK, I give up here, as most just post whatever they feel like posting, without even caring to read the previous posts properly - why put efforts into posts that aren't really read? :monkey:

 

[Anthony_Va.]

OK, I give up here, as most just post whatever they feel like posting, without even caring to read the previous posts properly - why put efforts into posts that aren't really read? :monkey:

It's getting rough in here ole bud!

I see your point, at least 90% of the time anyways. :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[8433jeff]

I've read every thread in the last half hour. Kids, go to your rooms. If I read one more sentence about how it (261) handles from someone who hasn't had the damn thing in their hands, I'm coming over there. Same goes for Mr. Can't wait to sell them, I'm sure you can't, but sell the others first, or discount them. Lord knows if your Daddy was still alive you'd both be cutting switches right now. BTW Brad, I assume you will still do the comparisons; post them where them clowns can't find them, as I still want to know but have read all the #####ing I can stand for a while.

 

[Anthony_Va.]

I've read every thread in the last half hour. Kids, go to your rooms. If I read one more sentence about how it (261) handles from someone who hasn't had the damn thing in their hands, I'm coming over there. Same goes for Mr. Can't wait to sell them, I'm sure you can't, but sell the others first, or discount them. Lord knows if your Daddy was still alive you'd both be cutting switches right now. BTW Brad, I assume you will still do the comparisons; post them where them clowns can't find them, as I still want to know but have read all the #####ing I can stand for a while.

Eh, come on now. You know it's been a good read so far. :hmm3grin2orange:

Brad, How does the internals of the muffler look? Are they like the 362 muffs?

How did you mod the muffler?

 

[SawTroll]

It's getting rough in here ole bud!

I see your point, at least 90% of the time anyways. :hmm3grin2orange:

OK, I have been into much worse, so I will answer;

The problem is that too many don't care to even read anything like that 90% number, they just see one sentence, and start commenting on that single little shread of what I posted.

Also, I am astonished that so many don't understand that it is easy to predict how a saw will handle, if you know how it is laid out in the design. There also are a lot more info on the details of the 261 design availiable, than what has been posted on here.

Stating that I can't predict about how a saw will handle, based on the details of the design, is just stupid - and is showing lack of knowledge on the posters side - or simply indifference.

 

[dingeryote]

All good fun and poop slingin' aside.

Stihl has apparently gotten better with the Strato design, as it's more difficult to get meaningfull gains at lower displacement.

Yeah, the weight thing is there, but it wasn't "Added" as the 261 is not a rehashed 260. It's it's own thing and likely to be improved upon later as the engineer types get thier heads wrapped around and tinker with the Strato concept with feedback from several years worth of field use.

There is no doubt, room for unleashing the animal a bit as I am sure any company will take a conservative approach on a first effort.

The 346 comparison is just paint wars. The 346 is just as dead and gone as the 260 except as a referrence points.

Stock and MM comparisons seem to make the most sense, as that is what the majority of users will be running.

IMO... Ported comparisons is a matter of sawtweakers skill, and at a certain point, users priority of reliability/service life over power.
All the same, it's fun as hell to see what kind of sick and twisted can be squeezed outta the things. LOL!!

I am really interested in seeing what kind of gains can be had from opening up the 261's intake and straightening it out some.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

 

[Andyshine77]

I'll start by saying let's try and not make any of this personal, as this is all really just for fun. And to those who haven't ran the saw in question, you have no leg to stand on.

I Know what you're saying with design ST, but they're things about the 261 that I believe make it handle better. For instance the recoil on the 261 is plastic and that side of the saw feels light. At this point I feel the 261 handles very well AKA it rotates with less effort than the 260 and especially 5100. I love the way Ferrari's are designed, but who's to say if I'm ever fortunate enough to drive one I wouldn't hate it, the possibility is there.

2K I know you love Stihl and that is more than fine with me. However anyone that thinks Stihl is better than all other makes, hasn't ran, worked on, or ported any saws himself. For the most part they all make great products.

So guys pull your heads out of the sand, the weather is nice out here.

Now on to real facts as I know them. I don't see the 346 as having more torque than the 261, and with a MM the throttle response is excellent. I can't say the same about the other stock strato saws I've ran. If I had to guess and this is a long shot of a guess, the 261 will indeed out cut the 346. Remember this is coming from a big 346 fan.

 

[Anthony_Va.]

Yea, I'm interested in seeing the gains he gets with that stock squish and still pulling 160.

It seems there is alot to be improved on, but who knows what the inside of the cylinder looks like. I'm sure we'll find out soon though. I wonder how well ole Brad is sleeping these days. With all the saws dancin around in his head.

Speaking of which, it's bedtime here for me so I'm out for now. Have to go in tomorrow extra early to feed cattle. Prolly from 5:30 till around 1. After which it's building cattle pens for a local man until around 5:30 evening. Crappy 12 hour days on 4 hours sleep. Most sleep I ever get these days is 4-5 hours. Can't be good. I can't beat myself off of the computer, lol. :hmm3grin2orange:

'night buds.

 

[SawTroll]

....
The 346 comparison is just paint wars. The 346 is just as dead and gone as the 260 except as a referrence points. ....

It will be with us for at least one more year, it is by no means dead!

The replacement has been in the works for some time, the rumors about intro vary from 2012 to 2014 in Sweden, from what I have seen.....:biggrinbounce2:

 

[SawTroll]

.....
I Know what you're saying with design ST, but they're things about the 261 that I believe make it handle better. For instance the recoil on the 261 is plastic and that side of the saw feels light. At this point I feel the 261 handles very well AKA it rotates with less effort than the 260 and especially 5100. I love the way Ferrari's are designed, but who's to say if I'm ever fortunate enough to drive one I wouldn't hate it, the possibility is there .....

Well, finally some real info, that I didn't know before - I am sure the plastic recoil cover (as on the Husky) will make a slight difference, but there still is a long way to go before it can compensate for the outboard clutch and the heavy Mag clutch cover of the 346xp + the slimmer case of that one.

 

[dingeryote]

It will be with us for at least one more year, it is by no means dead!

The replacement has been in the works for some time, the rumors about intro vary from 2012 to 2014 in Sweden, from what I have seen.....:biggrinbounce2:

Yeah, it's dead.Meaning it is not a Strato, nor will it see any changes in it's remaining production cycle. The end of the non Strato Era etc..done.
Even if it remains ahead of the new 261, it dosn't matter because it will soon be in the same boat as the 262.

I thought it was due out in 2011...
Well, that ain't a bad thing.
The second mouse almost always gets the cheese anyhow.:hmm3grin2orange:

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

 

[bcorradi]

Hey rbtree - nice to see you posting again. I suppose your getting excited for skiing. Make sure to share some of your amazing photography when you get a chance.

 

[SawTroll]

Yeah, it's dead.Meaning it is not a Strato, nor will it see any changes in it's remaining production cycle. The end of the non Strato Era etc..done.
Even if it remains ahead of the new 261, it dosn't matter because it will soon be in the same boat as the 262.

I thought it was due out in 2011...
Well, that ain't a bad thing.
The second mouse almost always gets the cheese anyhow.:hmm3grin2orange:

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

My post was about rumors about the 550xp, and 2012 - nothing to do with the 60cc saws, that surely will arrive much earlier, at least in the US.

 

[bcorradi]

Well, finally some real info, that I didn't know before - I am sure the plastic recoil cover (as on the Husky) will make a slight difference, but there still is a long way to go before it can compensate for the outboard clutch and the heavy Mag clutch cover of the 346xp + the slimmer case of that one.

The 024/026/260 had a plastic recoil cover too. Just how much more does the mag cover on the 346 weigh more than the mag cover on a 260? Also, how much slimmer is the case on a 346 vs the 260 or 261? How many more ounces per square inch is there on a 346 as you progressively move towards the bar vs a 260? I've read a lot of IPLS, but never could gleam the knowledge that you can just by looking at the IPL. I think you may suffer from DCBUYA syndrome instead of actual facts.