Bore cut felling?

[Gypo Logger]

So, when did the bore cut first start getting used and where ?

I don't recall anyone using it in the 60's.

Just wondering. Not trying to barb this thread.

Good question, but not sure. I think it was introduced by GOL.
Seldom do I use it and I'm not saying it's bad or unsafe. It seems to be over done though. It all depends on where you learned your techniques.

I can't see where bore cutting can give more control over a straight standing stem or one with a slight lean, any more than a traditional cut.

Bore cutting may prevent barber chair more for an inexperienced cutter than an inexperienced cutter using traditional techniques though, especially on leaners.
John

 

[2dogs]

Totally agree with you there....that and when they bash pounding wedges in a bored tree to preload it in one direction vs. the other....when you log and have to cut around houses and trees and high voltage powerlines for 10 years all day everyday...and your job depends on if you hit something......you let me know if you're still working. I've shut a couple cocky kids up real quick. One kid was saying some of the stuff im reading on here..like saying ohhh..pounding wedges in a tree that is bored with just a strap is soooo stupid...so i looked at them...said ok...i dropped my saw where i stood..took off my helmet....and said there you go...now IM gonna watch....(by this time his mood was starting to change)...I was swinging/throwing trees that where hanging over the wires and laying them almost parallel to the wires all day...never touched them......NOW it was his turn (ya know since he knew sooo much more than me)....so he grabbed the saw and he went over there and threw in a face and bored it and cut the strap and....boom...right on the wires it landed.....well with the 5 or 10 thousand dollar power company bill the boss got...he gave the kid got a couple weeks off work without pay....the boss asked me why i let him cut it...and i told him that the kid told me i was doin it wrong and he could do better...so i let him...and the boss was like well...dont let that SOB cut ANYTHING that close to wires or a house again......i said ok....and the boss was like yea i know where you where comming from though..he is a cocky SOB and hopefully that will make him learn something...maybe next time he'll just keep his mouth shut more often...LOL

Really? You let a kid fall a tree into power lines just to prove a point. I would have fired you right then and there. Both of us would have been sued by the Public Utility Commission to the tune of several hundred thousand dollars too. You would also be in jail within an hour. Or maybe you are just a BSer.

Go back to the chainsaw forum.

 

[Gypo Logger]

72" gooseneck on a bluff

Gas is bringin' lunch

No problem, I'll bring the explosives unless there's a bear living in it.
We may as well have a lumberjacks picnic. Lol
Lets see who can cut a cookie off the stump the fastest with a 36" bar.
John

 

[ChrisF]

Totally agree with you there....that and when they bash pounding wedges in a bored tree to preload it in one direction vs. the other....when you log and have to cut around houses and trees and high voltage powerlines for 10 years all day everyday...and your job depends on if you hit something......you let me know if you're still working. I've shut a couple cocky kids up real quick. One kid was saying some of the stuff im reading on here..like saying ohhh..pounding wedges in a tree that is bored with just a strap is soooo stupid...so i looked at them...said ok...i dropped my saw where i stood..took off my helmet....and said there you go...now IM gonna watch....(by this time his mood was starting to change)...I was swinging/throwing trees that where hanging over the wires and laying them almost parallel to the wires all day...never touched them......NOW it was his turn (ya know since he knew sooo much more than me)....so he grabbed the saw and he went over there and threw in a face and bored it and cut the strap and....boom...right on the wires it landed.....well with the 5 or 10 thousand dollar power company bill the boss got...he gave the kid got a couple weeks off work without pay....the boss asked me why i let him cut it...and i told him that the kid told me i was doin it wrong and he could do better...so i let him...and the boss was like well...dont let that SOB cut ANYTHING that close to wires or a house again......i said ok....and the boss was like yea i know where you where comming from though..he is a cocky SOB and hopefully that will make him learn something...maybe next time he'll just keep his mouth shut more often...LOL

I call bull on this one, dude. What the heck kind of professional would do such a thing? Ever?

 

[056kid]

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I like how he quits as soon as he hears the cracking sound

 

[Gypo Logger]

Here's some links that aptly describe the bore cut. The only thing I can see wrong as I think it would be harder to plunge in behind the notch on the same plain as the undercut, although not that big of an issue on a heavy leaner.
If I plunge behind the undercut a bar width, I'll finish off by cutting towards the plunge from the back of the tree. Far less chance of being pinched.
If you got pinched in the method described, there would be slim chance of driving a wedge to lift the tree off the bar.

http://www.grounds-mag.com/mag/grounds_maintenance_fell_tree_opennotchandbore/

http://web.extension.illinois.edu/f...ng/UIUC_Tims_Tips_Chainsaw_Safety/backcut.pdf


Looks like some pretty ugly stumps here:

http://www.ehow.com/how_5834287_bore-fell-leaning-tree.html

 

[Gypo Logger]

I like how he quits as soon as he hears the cracking sound

That was a Ripleys, wonder what he did wrong, probably a dutchman. The tree didn't look like it had a heavy lean.
John

 

[Gypo Logger]

Lets just beat up on these guys that are addicted to the plunge cut. Lol
Although this guy is just a casual user and read some book, it would have taken him 60 seconds instead of 5 minutes if he had of simply severered the tree from the stump with one cut and a wedge or no wedge, then plunged in over his head and cut himself out and the tree would have likely rolled off.
The point is, he felt comfortable with what he was doing, but why did he keep setting the brake?
John

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[2dogs]

Lets just beat up on these guys that are addicted to the plunge cut. Lol
Although this guy is just a casual user and read some book, it would have taken him 60 seconds instead of 5 minutes if he had of simply severered the tree from the stump with one cut and a wedge or no wedge, then plunged in over his head and cut himself out and the tree would have likely rolled off.
The point is, he felt comfortable with what he was doing, but why did he keep setting the brake?
John

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Well the tree is still hung up. I guess he ran out of recording time. Good thing cause I lost interest anyway. Though I wonder why he wedged at all. Like you said, a homeowner in his backyard.

 

[Gypo Logger]

Well the tree is still hung up. I guess he ran out of recording time. Good thing cause I lost interest anyway. Though I wonder why he wedged at all. Like you said, a homeowner in his backyard.

Ya, he was trying to treat it as a standing tree, however, the whole mechanics are different due to the weight of the tree being born on the tree it was hanging up in.
John

 

[2dogs]

Ya, he was trying to treat it as a standing tree, however, the whole mechanics are different due to the weight of the tree being born on the tree it was hanging up in.
John

Yeah but it was cool when he yelled "TREE FALLING!" and the tree fell three feet.

 

[056kid]

It is fine with me if the homeowners do it. I really dont care who does it. I know my tree wile likely hit the deck faster

 

[Gypo Logger]

These plunge guys take the job quite seriously.
John

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[2dogs]

Almost got the sattelite dish. I do like his boots though. I'm wearing my Vikings right now.

 

[Gologit]

Almost got the sattelite dish. I do like his boots though. I'm wearing my Vikings right now.

In the house?

 

[Gypo Logger]

Almost got the sattelite dish. I do like his boots though. I'm wearing my Vikings right now.

Ya, I could have used a pair of those just now. Had to get water and break thru the ice with an axe at -22. Got 4 jugs, going back for four more. Nice water though. Hardly any mineral.
John

 

[Cedarkerf]

After reading all this boring cutting thought Id mess with it on a couple big Cottan woods im dropping. Ive used boring on heavy leaning doug firs works as advertised. Used it on a 38" back leaner and learned the fallowing.

1 Dont use it on back leaning Cotton wood. Set my face. set my hinge and in the process of cutting back to the strap with at least 10-12" of diameter left the thing sat back. Cotton wood aint strong enough to hold itself up. Fortunately I was watching the kerf closely and the 066 had enough power to keep my self out of a pinch.

2 Pounding wedges on a tree with a back strap is indeed idiotic lesson taken. Would much rather start my standard back cut put in wedges as soon as bar is clear and progressivly pound them in.

3 To say the bore method is the absolute safest way to cut any tree is arrogont and rediculous.

4 Thank goodness Im getting paid by fixed bid and open ended time frame and not by production so I can waste my time fooling around with this,

Will I use the bore method again prolly some day but im sure it will be on rare occasion.

 

[Gypo Logger]

After reading all this boring cutting thought Id mess with it on a couple big Cottan woods im dropping. Ive used boring on heavy leaning doug firs works as advertised. Used it on a 38" back leaner and learned the fallowing.

1 Dont use it on back leaning Cotton wood. Set my face. set my hinge and in the process of cutting back to the strap with at least 10-12" of diameter left the thing sat back. Cotton wood aint strong enough to hold itself up. Fortunately I was watching the kerf closely and the 066 had enough power to keep my self out of a pinch.

2 Pounding wedges on a tree with a back strap is indeed idiotic lesson taken. Would much rather start my standard back cut put in wedges as soon as bar is clear and progressivly pound them in.

3 To say the bore method is the absolute safest way to cut any tree is arrogont and rediculous.

4 Thank goodness Im getting paid by fixed bid and open ended time frame and not by production so I can waste my time fooling around with this,

Will I use the bore method again prolly some day but im sure it will be on rare occasion.

Brian, we may be a dieing breed and see the perfunctory bore cut come into vogue. The over use of the bore cut seems to have the added advantage of making the cutter feel and appear to have more experience than what he does to the casual observer and to himself.
There is a time and place for the plunge cut, but it sure isn't on every tree.
John

 

[2dogs]

In the house?

Yep. In and out of the house all day.

 

[forestryworks]

These plunge guys take the job quite seriously.
John

That guy never once looked up.