why all the short bars on saws in this site ?

[MCW]

That last tree would have been hard to cut with a short bar. I was on my toes and Twinkle was having to reach.

How can short people cut hangups without using long bars?

Are you saying you've actually used a chainsaw above head height? My god woman, you're lucky to be alive

 

[ChrisF]

Are you saying you've actually used a chainsaw above head height? My god woman, you're lucky to be alive

What's next? Top handled saws while standing on solid ground?!

 

[TMFARM 2009]

It isn't near long enough. Sixteen inches does not allow for enough STAND BACK room. I'm a bit paranoid about that. That aspect of the topic seems to get overlooked.

are you talking of cutting or felling? i believe a 30" bar is a waste here in ohio....most of the trees i drop are averaging 24" in diameter... if you are cutting for fire wood or lumber mill a 20" bar would do here... even if you bore cut. as far as limbing you are stupid if you use a 30" all day to limb with it....work smarter not harder. cutting 12" and lower limbs doesn't take a 30" saw. i use a 14" cs 370 and 16" cs400 for most work.... felling and bucking my cs450p does the job with 20" bar...... its all about cutting and that means expenses too.i can buy chains cheaper at my lengths then you can a 30"

 

[Rounder]

Heres an idea perfect PNW falling and bucking saw=70-90cc 28-32" bar big dawgs wrap handle maybe this idea will catch on.

Yep and yep. I like some clearance. 28" is a short bar, lol.

Happy Holidays - Sam

 

[Cedarkerf]

as far as limbing you are stupid if you use a 30" all day to limb with it....

Guess us PNW'ers are officially a bunch of stupid heads.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[RandyMac]

Short bars have their place, on little saws.

 

[Cedarkerf]

Heres a PNW crazy limbing with 32" bar:hmm3grin2orange:
The vid is by Jasha known to most as TREESLINGER

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Try tis with a 16" bar

 

[Yoopermike]

Heres a PNW crazy limbing with 32" bar:hmm3grin2orange:

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Try tis with a 16" bar

Looks like a good day in the woods to me!

 

[paccity]

are you talking of cutting or felling? i as far as limbing you are stupid if you use a 30" all day to limb with it....work smarter not harder.
i guess i'm stupid for strolling along and knotting up a tree , with the last 6 to 12" of my bar. such a wast of energy. man i'm sweating just think'in about it. just what i do.

 

[RandyMac]

are you talking of cutting or felling? i as far as limbing you are stupid if you use a 30" all day to limb with it....work smarter not harder.
i guess i'm stupid for strolling along and knotting up a tree , with the last 6 to 12" of my bar. such a wast of energy. man i'm sweating just think'in about it. just what i do.

They will never understand without spending a day in our corks. Different woods need different saws, always been that way. I have noticed that with vintage saws, the pretty, clean ones, always have short bars, the long bar saws are looking like war vets.

 

[paccity]

your right, all my saws look like they have ben rolling around in the back of the truck for years. even though they hav'nt. at least not rolling around.lol

 

[TraditionalTool]

This is me last Sun. with my new 372xp with 20" pro-Lite bar in the snow & cold.Would not want a 28" for this.There is all kinds of stuff to trip on under that snow.

Not for nothing, and I'm sure it's fun cutting firewood with snow half way up your crack, but you can keep that snow! lol

 

[Rounder]

They will never understand without spending a day in our corks. Different woods need different saws, always been that way. I have noticed that with vintage saws, the pretty, clean ones, always have short bars, the long bar saws are looking like war vets.

Ya mean like a battle scarred 797? Happy Holidays Randy, and the rest of ya - Sam

 

[Patrick62]

Wow, what a thread.

Excellent work TreeSlinger. Great video:hmm3grin2orange:

Gradually I have "evolved" from Fathers 041 with a 16", to one of the antiques with 18", to the current lineup. I don't usually get into the bigger stuff here. I have found my happiness with the 460 wearing a 28" pulling semi-skip with a 8 pin. Effective for me as I am tall enough to appreciate not bending that much. The 440 is great with a 24", For the fun of it the 064 wearing a 30" just in case I find some larger stuff.

I don't see any particular need to go back to shorter bars. However, I also don't see any need to get anything L O N G E R than what I have.

 

[slowp]

are you talking of cutting or felling? i believe a 30" bar is a waste here in ohio....most of the trees i drop are averaging 24" in diameter... if you are cutting for fire wood or lumber mill a 20" bar would do here... even if you bore cut. as far as limbing you are stupid if you use a 30" all day to limb with it....work smarter not harder. cutting 12" and lower limbs doesn't take a 30" saw. i use a 14" cs 370 and 16" cs400 for most work.... felling and bucking my cs450p does the job with 20" bar...... its all about cutting and that means expenses too.i can buy chains cheaper at my lengths then you can a 30"

Ah, Gentle Reader:

I am not a faller. Look at the farthest blowdown in the picture. I'll type slowly. It was hanging over the road. I cut it off at the root wad but it still hung. The top end was hung up in a standing tree.

I am short, and very round. That tree was hung up. Mother Nature did the falling, hence the term blowdown.

Now, since that tree was up in the air, a bit higher, how do you suggest I cut it with a 14" bar? Should I wear drywall stilts? A ladder? Get a coworker to kneel down and give me a boost? A human pyramid? Go back to town and rent a boom truck? Yup. All way easier than reaching with a long bar. I am dumb and I used to be blonde...

I think you miss the point. When one cuts blowdown, one has no influence on the lay of the tree-there's various forces to take into consideration. Sometimes you can make a mistake, even after hmming and wiggling and kicking the tree to try and figure it out. Sometimes all that energy will release and I prefer to be standing as far back as I can get, so my stupidhead doesn't get taken off. Yah, I think I'll trade Twinkle in on a Wild Thing. The Wild Thing would be easier to catch after an errant vine maple launch.

 

[slowp]

Another Question

So, say you are falling in a unit. The average diameter to be cut is 14 inches. The ground is steep, and will be yarder logged, meaning people will be on the ground. You are carrying a saw with a 14 inch bar, because you are working smart and that is about as big as most of the cut trees are.

You come to this tree, which has a dead, shaky top. It is a survivor of the fire that swept through the area 80 years ago. You have to get it on the ground, it's a safety thing. How will you do it with a 14 inch bar?

Oh, I forgot, in this location you are away from any roads. You have hiked in because the road is in the process of being built.

The two gentlemen in the picture just happened to have 32 inch bars on their saws. Were they working smart?

Just pointing out yet another scenario.

Happy Christmas Eve, you all.

 

[Gologit]

From the Left Coast Woods

.. as far as limbing you are stupid if you use a 30" all day to limb with it...

Stupid? Maybe you'd like to rephrase that? I'll bet you would. But if you decide not to, be sure and let us know.

And, for what it's worth, I limb almost everything I cut with a 36" bar. Most of the guys I work with use the same thing. We have neither the time nor the inclination to carry more than one saw at a time while we're working. There might be a couple of extra saws in the pickup but that's often a mile away. We use what we have.

So, you'll have to forgive us when we snicker at people who consider a 28" bar to be a big bar. And you'll just have to get used to the idea that when a person talks about how heavy a 24" bar is we tend to laugh out loud. And you'll have to excuse those of us who make our living with a saw if we don't carry five or six different sizes at once just to have a saw for every occasion.
It's not a hobby for most of us, it's how we put food on the table. And, just like you, we go with what works.

Stupid? I don't think so. But like I said, if you want to continue regarding us as stupid that's your decision entirely. We'll consider the source and give your opinion of us the attention it deserves. I think most of us already have.

 

[RandyMac]

Bob, Pay no mind, he is just a backyard logger with little echos

 

[paccity]

Stupid? Maybe you'd like to rephrase that? I'll bet you would. But if you decide not to, be sure and let us know.

And, for what it's worth, I limb almost everything I cut with a 36" bar. Most of the guys I work with use the same thing. We have neither the time nor the inclination to carry more than one saw at a time while we're working. There might be a couple of extra saws in the pickup but that's often a mile away. We use what we have.

So, you'll have to forgive us when we snicker at people who consider a 28" bar to be a big bar. And you'll just have to get used to the idea that when a person talks about how heavy a 24" bar is we tend to laugh out loud. And you'll have to excuse those of us who make our living with a saw if we don't carry five or six different sizes at once just to have a saw for every occasion.
It's not a hobby for most of us, it's how we put food on the table. And, just like you, we go with what works.

Stupid? I don't think so. But like I said, if you want to continue regarding us as stupid that's your decision entirely. We'll consider the source and give your opinion of us the attention it deserves. I think most of us already have.

well said,. think i'll wander out to the shop and build a nice belt system to carry a wide variety of b&c , so i can work smarter. should not take it so personally, but i did. its just what i do. and every body have a very merry mossy christmas.

 

[Rounder]

Stupid? Maybe you'd like to rephrase that? I'll bet you would. But if you decide not to, be sure and let us know.

And, for what it's worth, I limb almost everything I cut with a 36" bar. Most of the guys I work with use the same thing. We have neither the time nor the inclination to carry more than one saw at a time while we're working. There might be a couple of extra saws in the pickup but that's often a mile away. We use what we have.

So, you'll have to forgive us when we snicker at people who consider a 28" bar to be a big bar. And you'll just have to get used to the idea that when a person talks about how heavy a 24" bar is we tend to laugh out loud. And you'll have to excuse those of us who make our living with a saw if we don't carry five or six different sizes at once just to have a saw for every occasion.
It's not a hobby for most of us, it's how we put food on the table. And, just like you, we go with what works.

Stupid? I don't think so. But like I said, if you want to continue regarding us as stupid that's your decision entirely. We'll consider the source and give your opinion of us the attention it deserves. I think most of us already have.

You done hit the nail on the head for all us culls West of the Mississippi who is tooo stoopid to use them highly superior short bars - lol. We sure is stoopid ain't weeee. Take care pard, happy holidays to all of ya, just havin a little fun with you.....it sure ain't the same sawing everywhere in this great nation - Sam