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Steel toes are deadly to a faller,they cut toes off! Better off with squished toes then none.Steel toes are for factory people. Treat your boots with a good oil and they will last a lot longer:rock:

maybe a cheap pair that isn't built right. My $175 Carolina's aren't likely to cut any toes off any time soon though.
 
I honestly don't know were it came from but my guess is comfort steel toes are way cold to wear in the winter.
I do hear the old timers talking about steel toes and dislilly them because the could loose there toes. Maybe some Guy somewhere on the east coast lost his toes and that's how the story goes
 
I've got more invested in the saws. I get a shoe allowance at work and I have more boots than I'll ever need. Possibly not so with the saws LOL.

I picked up a pair of Lacrosse boots a few years ago for $20 off the bargain rack. These boots, despite being a bit heavy for long distance trekking, have become my go to boots for working around the place. They are holding up well and I hope to get a few more years out of them.
 
The agency I worked for is ultra safety. There is no requirement for steel toes when running chainsaw. I believe this is because most saw work is done on the fireline, and steel toes do not belong there. Feet can get hot enough without having steel to radiate heat through. We westsiders wore calks on our normal jobs, but had a pair of lug sole boots for fire duty. We all would get blisters on the first fire too, because we weren't used to our fire boots. I wore Whites for fire work.
 
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Got my whites in 2000 and still wear them, mostly on the fireline but also sometimes when I get all duded up and go out on the town.
 
I'm a steel toe guy myself, I'm to the point where I feel naked doing even yard work without them. I've been wearing Red Wings for years. I wear size 14's so the weight of the steel toe is kinda out the window. The only weight factor I worry about is the sticky wet clay.
 
Interested in hearing what other boot owners (and brands) have to say about the time between rebuilds (either partials - full sole/heel or complete bottom up). And if your wearing year around, or cut over to pacs for the winter/wet season.

Do you send them back to maker/factory ?
 
A little of both Evan. Bought new Vibergs a couple months ago, cost me an arm and a leg, especially after I had them add tricounis, but they are nice on steep broken ground.
 
One of the closes calls I have had with chain saws,was cutting through my tennis shoe, sock and skin but it did not bleed. Forty eight inch oak. close call!!! I now have a job that requires safety shoes with metatarsal guards. I try to wear them in the woods, My first pair of cheap Georgians had a floppy metatarsal that tripped me several times with a big saw no chain break. I am wearing my safety boots when I cut but weigh real safety with regulations. good tread keep telling real stories.
 
LOL, yeah, I never did quite grasp the theory behind the steel toed boots cutting your toes off concept, LOL.

Its like they think, "Oh boy, 2000 pounds just landed on my toes, sheesh, glad I didn't have steel toed boots on, they would be cut off or smashed.", LOL.

If the weight does indeed exceed the capacity of the steel cap, and it smashes your toes, okay, who said it was going to cut your toes off??? Why is that the only other option for a steel toed boot, what was the 700 pounds going to do to your toes if you didn't have the steel toed boots on???????????????????????????????????????????? Just break the skin a little, LOL.

The likelyhood of weight exceeding the capacity of proper steel toed boots landing on your foot and say a few hundred pounds and less, it is more likely that the "within capacity" weight is going to hit your toes.

Additionally, unless you are working in pure rock or shale, then it is more likely that the log or heavy object could possibly push your whole foot/boot/steel toe into the ground and nothing gets smashed, as the steel toe cap can withstand more than the typical dirt "floor" below.

If a person said, I don't wear my forestry helmet because its too hot and its heavy, and I could get a piece of aluminum or plastic stuck in my head, LOL, people would look at them a little funny, but not the steel toed haters, they get a "pass" with that "they cut your toes off" phrase. that is like an illogical knee jerk reaction from a lot of them.

Rant over,

Sam
 
In New England, steel toes go hand in hand with forestry/cutting operations. In forestry vocational school and college forestry, students are required to have steel toes when running a saw.

As slowp pointed out earlier, steel toes are a no-no in in forest fire fighting and fire training.
 
Don't drop shtuff on your toes, problem solved.

Excellent advice.

I haven't had too many times, when I can say that steel toes saved me or I wish I had, had them on, of course I can say that about the forestry helmet, but that doesn't mean its not smart to wear it.

I had a top come down and pin a non-steel toed foot (mine) against the fork of another tree I was standing on, as in it moved sideways about 2.5 feet and I was stuck, couldn't budge it and the grapple skidder had to pick it off, because three of us couldn't move the top/branch, that hurt.
I had a pretty good scratch from a 30" bar, I was using on a 660, on the top of one steel toed boot I was wearing when I was cutting in Wisconsin, and I never knew it until the end of the day, but it would have likely caused some damage to the toes, and that is about it from a logging point of view.

In the machine shop I can't ever really remember anytime I thought that steel toes saved me, as that is a pretty dull job, safetywise, as in I was usually faster than gravity at that point. I did like the steel toes for lifting things and setting the load down on my steel toes and then getting my fingers out and then sliding my feet out later, that worked great, used that all the time.

Bullriding, I always had lace-up steel toed boots on because the bulls would smash your feel and ankles so bad in the shoots or their feet would end of stepping on you in the arena from time to time, also the added weight below the waist was of a great benefit for balance or better said to lower your center of gravity, I always wore the heaviest "cowboy" looking lace-ups and made my own very heavy leather chaps.

Other than that, I've been faster than gravity, LOL.

Sam
 
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About two months ago due to my own stupidity I had a 30" oak log drop about 3' and take a bounce right at me. I mostly got out of the way but it smashed my left toe against another log. It hurt even through the steel toes and I think it permanently parallelogramed the insert. I'm quite sure I would have been hobbling for a while after that if I had not been wearing them, and I cannot afford to be out of action. It's really the first time I needed them, and it's also the first pair I've had. Won't be the last!
 
I bought Timberland Ti+ (titanium alloy toe) boots when I worked in heavy construction, and they have been some of the best boots that I have owned. Have a pair of Georgia Wedges now, and love them. Probably the most comfortable boots that I have owned.
 
Here is a pic of one of my grand-dad's log trucks - after getting hit by a train. I show it because in the wreck he lost one of his big toes, probably called that lucky. I've dropped stuff on my toes, it usually hurts. My trade is carpentry/woodworking. I'm distracted from the worry of losing my toes by the worry of losing my fingers.

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Most of the fallers in my area do not wear chaps, or even eye protection. It varies. The independent fallers are contracted out, and most of the gypo logging outfits are not too concerned if they are not the ones who will be paying the fines. Washington State Department of Labor and Industries is the agency responsible for inspections. I have not seen them out on the ground anywhere I've been here. They visit after a fatality and will then hit an area. The state, like other governments, is having budget problems.

One logger had a yarder set up on a busy road. It was there on the weekend. A safety inspector who was on a touristy trip left his card on the yarder along with a note about the way the guylines were rigged. When I arrived on Monday morning, it was the first time I'd ever seen his chaser wearing chaps and an orange vest.

Insurance rates for yarder crews now almost equal the hourly wage in this state. I do not know what the correlation is, except the rates were raised right after the last election.

Thanks for that info, interesting how things vary from country to country :cheers: Independant operators here are not bound by any rules regarding safety either and can do what they want. If however they had, lets say, income insurance, and hurt themselves due to a lack of PPE their insurance wouldn't cover them.

The agency I worked for is ultra safety. There is no requirement for steel toes when running chainsaw. I believe this is because most saw work is done on the fireline, and steel toes do not belong there. Feet can get hot enough without having steel to radiate heat through. We westsiders wore calks on our normal jobs, but had a pair of lug sole boots for fire duty. We all would get blisters on the first fire too, because we weren't used to our fire boots. I wore Whites for fire work.

The steel toe boot and fire aspect is something I wouldn't have even thought of and a good point.
Another thing too slowp that I may have overlooked is the difference in our Workcover and healthcare systems. For example out here in Australia if an employee gets hurt then the employer and Workcover (government run) pay the bills, including time off work (although this doesn't last forever - Workcover is a minefield). Employers pay a Workcover fee for every employee - it is illegal not to. If you are a contractor Workcover doesn't apply - owners/operators can't give themselves Workcover so have to take out other income/health insurance to cover their butts if they get hurt.
An employee operating saws quite simply doesn't get the option of not wearing PPE, it is dictated by law.
This means that workplace safety is sometimes taken to stupid degrees to ensure that the dumbest employee on earth can't hurt themselves and cost the employer money. Unfortunately then a whole new level of dumb always managed to evolve :D I still see steel toed boots as a valuable investment though and I rate them as important as chaps and a helmet. They've saved my toes a number of times from being crushed by logs, stumps etc, not from being cut. They also give me the ability to kick stuff really hard and not bust my foot :D I got my foot wedged and stuck once when about an 18" tree butt decided to slide back after it fell and slowly came down on my foot which I'd stupidly jammed between other logs trying to make my escape (always clean your escape path :D ). Didn't hurt, I was stuck fast, but luckily had my saw to cut myself out with. Without my saw it would have been a long day as I had no phone coverage where I was.

I'm not 100% up on the US healthcare system but it seems to me that employees either get a job with health insurance or have to pay for health insurance (or get neither and run the risk). From what I gather if you hurt yourself badly in the US you foot the bills otherwise? In Australia we have a pretty good health system setup that all taxpayers pay for with extra tax. For example if you need an emergency operation or surgery from an accident you'll rarely pay anything - it is all covered by Medicare (government). If you have elective surgery or even a simple doctor's appointment for a checkup you'll normally pay around 30-50% of the total bill and the rest is covered by Medicare. If you have a Health Care Card (Social Security?) you generally pay very little over what Medicare covers. This can be a pain in the butt for working people like myself because when any unemployed bum gets a sniffle they go see the doctor because it doesn't cost them anything - this then blocks up the system for those that really need it.

Unfortunately this also means that Medicare with our aging population is also a massive taxpayer burden at the same time.
 
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I think you will find that cotracters come under the same rules. The person that they are contracting for pay the workcover. So they are under the same rules regarding safety.

http://www.claimsmart.com.au/upload/contractor_guidelines.pdf?PHPSESSID=58aks3pvr8p8cpq9l2kd42vag7

That is the PDF that I found..can't get it live. you will have to copy and past into your browser.

I know we were responible for contracters working at the hospital I worked at.
Peter

Interesting mate. I know that some of the subcontractors here are simply not covered if they have an accident - they have to organise their own cover/insurance. There may be varying degrees of it or maybe even Victoria is different to South Australia? I know a number of tradies that don't pay anything but run the risk of not making any money if they injure themselves. My uncle was one of them working as a fridgey.
 
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