Ok guys. I am going to start cutting some veneer and firewood partitme in the winter. I currently have a 036 w/ 20'' bar that is like new. My question is will the 036 be enough saw for cutting big hardwood veneer logs. If I go new I would consider a 372xp,044 or maybe a jonyred 2159. What are you guys thoughts. BTW I also thought of getting my 036 kd tuned.
is it time for a new saw?
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jokers
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Well, isn`t it always a good time for a new saw?
You didn`t say how big the trees are or what species, but I`ll tell you what I think. I`m assuming that you don`t really want another saw, so I would talk to Ken first. I think your 036 reworked by Ken would be at least as powerful as a 372 or 044, but I am guessing. If it is going to be a new saw I would get the 372, and have it reworked by Ken . Get the 044 if you`re really hung up on it being a Stihl. As far as the 2159 goes, what would you gain over what your 036 already has? Unless you have Dennis build one for you . Just my Euro devalued two cents. Russ
You didn`t say how big the trees are or what species, but I`ll tell you what I think. I`m assuming that you don`t really want another saw, so I would talk to Ken first. I think your 036 reworked by Ken would be at least as powerful as a 372 or 044, but I am guessing. If it is going to be a new saw I would get the 372, and have it reworked by Ken . Get the 044 if you`re really hung up on it being a Stihl. As far as the 2159 goes, what would you gain over what your 036 already has? Unless you have Dennis build one for you . Just my Euro devalued two cents. RussMostly hard maple with some oak and beech. The trees would be in the 30-40" range. BTW I is was under the impression the 2159 was very similar to the 372 power wise and I am not stuck on stihl as I will be moving and will not be near my current dealer.
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Well I guess that I would stick with my original recomendation unless you want to buy a new saw and have it reworked, and then it`s the Ken Dunn 372 all the way for what you describe. You would be very happy with that saw. I don`t know for sure, but I thought the 2159 was a 59 cc open transfer saw, I don`t see how it could be even close to the 372 if I`m right. I`ll have to look into that, but needless to say, I have no experience with them. Russ
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Just checked the specs on their website and it looks like the 2159 is over 1 hp less than a 372, you`d have to get a 2171 to match the 372. They sure are nice looking though. Russ
Just checked the specs on their website and it looks like the 2159 is over 1 hp less than a 372, you`d have to get a 2171 to match the 372. They sure are nice looking though. Russ
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I ran an 036 pro for a week and that was all i could take. It just doesn't have the umph that the 046 066 has. I was kinda disapointed in the saw. I didn't even like it for limbing.
Go with an 046 or 066.
Go with an 046 or 066.
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bwalker
Never had good luck with an 036. If you look on previous posts I don't like the saw for it's lack of low-end torque. This is exactly what you need for the cutting you want to do. I run primarily Shindaiwa's, although I have an 020T and an 066. I like the new Husky's alot. My suggestion: give Ken Dunn a call and see what he says. He has been a big help to me in my modified muffler quest. If your going to spend the money on a 372XP, why not consider a 385XP? Rich.
Never had good luck with an 036. If you look on previous posts I don't like the saw for it's lack of low-end torque. This is exactly what you need for the cutting you want to do. I run primarily Shindaiwa's, although I have an 020T and an 066. I like the new Husky's alot. My suggestion: give Ken Dunn a call and see what he says. He has been a big help to me in my modified muffler quest. If your going to spend the money on a 372XP, why not consider a 385XP? Rich.
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The 2159 is a class 59cc saw but not in the same power range as the 372Husky/2171Jonsered. There is about 1 lb dry weight difference.
I have a logger customer trying a 981 Efco (Olympyc), $565 saw, which is also sold by John Deere as the CS 81 (81cc). He is cutting Southern Illinois hardwood, oak, hickory and hard maple. He is plesently surprised so far.
I have a logger customer trying a 981 Efco (Olympyc), $565 saw, which is also sold by John Deere as the CS 81 (81cc). He is cutting Southern Illinois hardwood, oak, hickory and hard maple. He is plesently surprised so far.
I wouldnt expect it too as it is not in the same class as a 046 or a 066. The question is, is the 036 adequit for the task at hand. Truthfully I wished i had a 044/372 class saw and a a 026/357 class saw, but I dont.
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Hi bwalker etal, I didn`t suggest a 385 because the 385 wasn`t in the original question, presumably because they weigh ~ 2# more and cost ~ $130 more than a 372. Since we are talking a max diameter of 40", a 24" bar will easily do the job and from my experience the 372 and 385 are very close in performance with this bar. I have both and have deliberately run them against one another to see how they stack up. When I put the 34" bar on is when you start to see a significant difference between these saws. Now for the question of whether or not an 036 will do the job. Considering that a 24" bar will be all that is needed for reach, why not? The 036 has nearly 4 1/2 hp and should pull a 24 without too much trouble. You might want to try skip chain, and even square ground if you have a reliable means of sharpening it. I think You could also run a narrow kerf .325 chain on this saw to give it more long bar capacity. A couple of no brainer points are even more crucial for this setup, make sure that all the cutting parts, ie; bar, chain, sprocket, powerhead, are maintained as close to perfect as is humanly possible. The 036 will put them on the ground, maybe not as quickly as some others. What have you got to lose by trying it, assuming you know what you are doing felling trees of this size? Russ
Nothing I guess. The problem is the guy I will be working for tells me I need more saw. I suspect hes telling me this because he hates Stihl's. BTW I forgot to add Most of the cutting I will be doing is bucking downed trees. The guy i will be working does most of the felling except for the small sticks that are used for firewood.
bwalker
If the boss is telling you that you need more saw, he's looking at production. A 60 ccsaw will make the cuts but not at the speed he needs to keep production up. Russ is leading you in the right direction.
If the boss is telling you that you need more saw, he's looking at production. A 60 ccsaw will make the cuts but not at the speed he needs to keep production up. Russ is leading you in the right direction.
Assuming I get a new saw with the conditions I described in mind would it be worth the money to go with 372/044 or a 385/046. If I go with the bigger class saw I would be inclined to take the 046 over the 385 and If I go with the smaller the 372 looks like the most attrctive option. BTW I know some of you guys will reccomend dolmar,deere, shin or someother small brand. I am not interested in the those because nobody sells them in my area. Also, does the 385/372 have outboard mounted clutches? Thats one thing I never like about husky's. I almost forgot to add the guy I will be working for has a 288 and a 357 husky.
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Hi bwalker, the answer to your last question depends on a few variables such as whether or not you will be keeping the 036. if you plan on keeping the 036, I`d probably jump up to the bigger saws. Another thing is how much limbing vs bucking you will be doing. I`m curious to know why you lean toward the 046 rather than the 385? The 385 is balanced so well that I don`t notice that it weighs a pound more than the 046, it is clearly more powerful, and the price betweeen the two saws is about the same. Swapping chains on the 385 is simple, and last but not least, it has Air Injection. Unless you have spent any time running a saw with Air Injection you may not appreciate how well it works. The 372 has an inboard clutch, sprocket on the outside. Husky anti vibe is outstanding also, try one out if you get a chance. If I was to have only one saw it would be the 372, it will do everything you mentioned. Russ
Mostly the weight issue and the outboard clutch although thats not that big of a deal. As far as the air injection goes.IMO I think its mostly marketing. I cut about 10 cord of oak firewwod last year without a single filter cleaning. I noticed no drop in power, the carb had no saw dust residue in it, and the cylinder looked like new when I removed the muffler to open it up last week. I have friend that runs a 044 and he just puts a womens stocking over the filter that he can remove for cleaning daily. I myself have never seen the need to do that.
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Give the 372 a try.I think you will be suprised.With a sharp chain it will probably hurt your buddy's(with the 044) feelings.
Give the 372 a try.I think you will be suprised.With a sharp chain it will probably hurt your buddy's(with the 044) feelings.
Stirring the pot. This si what KD has to say.
"I have both saws and when you go out and cut wood for 4 to 6 hours the 044 is the saw that we like. even tho the 372 is suspended on coil springs instead of rubber mounts the 044 is smoother to run . when you transport the saw or set it on the garage floor the husky saws always siphon some bar oil out and you have a puddle on your garage floor or pickup floor mat. when you cut till your tank is empty the stihl tank is a see thru tank so you 've already stopped and filled the tank. thats a lot better on the saw motor than running it lean as it runs out of gas. when you cut for a period of time with both saws the 044 just seem to be better balanced or comfortable. We modify three huskys to every stihl but my vote would be for the 044 for a modified fallers saw"
Heck i dont know what to think. Guess Ill just have to try them both.
"I have both saws and when you go out and cut wood for 4 to 6 hours the 044 is the saw that we like. even tho the 372 is suspended on coil springs instead of rubber mounts the 044 is smoother to run . when you transport the saw or set it on the garage floor the husky saws always siphon some bar oil out and you have a puddle on your garage floor or pickup floor mat. when you cut till your tank is empty the stihl tank is a see thru tank so you 've already stopped and filled the tank. thats a lot better on the saw motor than running it lean as it runs out of gas. when you cut for a period of time with both saws the 044 just seem to be better balanced or comfortable. We modify three huskys to every stihl but my vote would be for the 044 for a modified fallers saw"
Heck i dont know what to think. Guess Ill just have to try them both.
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Hi bwalker, you`re right, you should try them both. As far as what Ken said, I`m a little surprised because he never mentioned these things to me, but then I never asked him outright about a comparison of the two. Let me say that I have a great deal of respect for Ken`s opinions, but I also disagree about the balance and smoothness issues. The Stihls and Huskies do have distinctly different balance in my opinion, and I prefer the feel and what I perceive as smoothness of the Husky. I guess there is a reason that both saws, both high quality, can be so popular. Yes, the Huskies are more prone to leaking a little bar oil, but it is so small it seems inconsequential. The new Huskies also have a see through fuel tank, not quite as transparent as the Stihl tanks, but you can easily see the fuel level if you look against a well lit backdrop. I`ll bet that most people run the saws until until they start to hear them run out of fuel anyway. Oh well, to each his own. Russ
