ECHO Chainsaws - are they catching on?!

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What brought them down?

The mini-mac's?




Is it like Husky selling to the box stores?

I'd hate to see them die like that!

Well if they are like many other companies. The guy that started it got older.........his offspring were spoiled by the good life his hard work have provided for them making them to damn sorry to take proper care of anything........let alone a large company. They ran it into the ground then sold it.

This is all speculation BTW.......but it seems to be the American way these days.
 
[First they gobbled up the pro market, and then they went out and dominated the homeowner market.

They have dominated the homeowner market living off thier name, it won't last putting out low quality saws. I have no respect for a lot of companys that used to be good names . Delta, Powermatic, Maytag, Ingersol Rand just to name a few. Stihl and Husky are headed the same way. Steve[/QUOTE]

Steve, a short while back I'd have made the same prediction as you. It seems to make sense doesn't it that if you lower your quality, it's just a matter of time before the roof caves in. Look what happened to Homelite and McCulloch, right?

But this is different. Husky and Stihl haven't lowered their quality on their pro stuff, they have simply entered new markets at lower price points. Homelite and McCulloch completely abandoned the pro and serious user market and put all their eggs in the mass retail basket. Comparing them really doesn't work.

Other than the Poulan based Huskys and a couple of the cheapest Stihls, I disagree that any other company is offering superior saws to homeowners. At best, they might at least equal what Husky and Stihl have to offer, and even then only in the smaller saws. As much as they get kicked around here on the site, 455 ranchers and MS290's are still the best deals out there for a guy who wants to pull a 20" 3/8 chain. Granted, either of those saws are liable to disappoint someone who owned an 028 wood boss for 30 some years. But overall, they are super reliable and will do everything their owners ask of them.

Also, with just a very few exceptions, no other company really has anything that equals the top pro models from Husky and Stihl. And a fair amount of homeowner types do buy the pro models from both companies.

But the final word that is going to seal the fate of the second tier companies is: Technology. Things like Auto-Tune and M-Tronic are being developed by the big boys with big market share and big budgets. Other companies like Dolmar are just now adding cat mufflers and are unfortuately probably going to fall further behind.

Hard to say with Echo though. Although they are not a player in the saw biz, they are a solid player in the blower and trimmer market and have good distribution and a decent dealer network. Certainly big enough to stay in the game here in the US. But as far as saws go, there's just too many headwinds for them to gain anything against Husky or Stihl.

Is this a good thing? Even being a Husky/Jonsered dealer, my sentiments are "Nah, I don't think so." It would all be a lot more interesting if more of these companies were a significant factor in the saw biz. Not to mention all of the names that are no longer with us.

But even for those that remain, their biggest problem is still what it's always been: Themselves. They've all been here 30-40 years or more and have had plenty of time to get their acts together. Whether it's been poor products or poor marketing or both, they've just never gotten it done. It's not likely to change anytime soon.
 
Unlike some here who seem to have a uncanny ability to respond to threads about saw they do not own. I on the other hand own just 2 echo one was bought new 12 or 15 years ago still goes out trimming ever week or so. put a new oilier in it once. the other was bought used really traded for a debit other than be heavy as the burden of truth it works well. That said my go too saw is ms260.
 
Time will tell what happens, it took diehard Polaris fans about 20 years to figure that the quality wasn't there anymore but they didn't build any good quality products like pro Husky and Stihl saws. With anything but thier pro saws everyone is better off with a different brand which are built better, lighter, have more power per cc and cost about the same. As I mentioned before most everyone that uses my Echo saws want to know where i got them, how much they cost and the most are Husky Stihl owners. The it's a Stihl mentallity won't last forever. Steve
 
Time will tell what happens, it took diehard Polaris fans about 20 years to figure that the quality wasn't there anymore but they didn't build any good quality products like pro Husky and Stihl saws. With anything but thier pro saws everyone is better off with a different brand which are built better, lighter, have more power per cc and cost about the same. As I mentioned before most everyone that uses my Echo saws want to know where i got them, how much they cost and the most are Husky Stihl owners. The it's a Stihl mentallity won't last forever. Steve

If people like their Stihl saws so well they should probably hang onto their old ones...
 
Bought an Echo CS 670 used a few years ago.Underpowered,over rated.Was heavy and the anti vibe left a lot to be deisred.Anyhow,all it really takes is a few hyped up saws that dont live up to their reputation to ruin a company
 
While I somewhat agree with Spike, I also contend there is no 'catching on' to do. Echo sells plenty of small engine equipment. At their price point, Stihl and Husqvarna have a difficult time competing with their pro saws, and their homeowner equipment isn't up to snuff for arborists and landscapers - Echo's primary target. Echo 'caught on' with these folks a long time ago. Neither Echo nor Dolmar have the delusion of toppling Stihl or Husky, and I seriously doubt anyone here thinks that as well. However, Yamabiko earned over $1B last year, so we are likely to see further investment and development in the Echo brand. Well, assuming Japan's economy doesn't melt down themselves any further than they already have(no pun intended!)As Spike eluded to, some folks get a bit wrapped up in hype, and some folks tend to take things a bit personally. It's an internet forum - ask the moderators how much work it is preventing an all out war much of the time.
 
I just took ownership of 100 truck loads of downed wood a few days ago. So tonight i took my trusty Echo CS-315 that i bought 35 years ago with me. My buddies Stihl wouldn't start (again) so we used mine...Bob
 
I just won a Echo CS400 and got to use it this weekend, I am impressed, I had the impression that I would be using a ho-hum heavy underpowered POS that I would quickly be boxing back up and selling, but nooooo, this saw reminds me of my Stihl MS250, and it is 5cc smaller with an adjustable oilier.
 
I have 2 Echo’s. A cs-310, great limbing saw for clearing trails and a CS-6700. Like them both. Start and run well. The thing that drives me nuts where I live is that when you need a part it doesn't matter what I need; the answer from all the Echo dealers is "we don't stock that". I've never found anything they do stock except safety chains, saws and oil. Three weeks later still no part. If I need something for my Stihl 026 I phone the shop and have the part same day or at most 2 days later.
If Echo's parts distribution was better I would be more impressed but the service they dish up around here doesn't make me want to buy another one. Exactly like buying parts for a throw away saw.
I don't expect the dealers in the city to stock a ton of parts but they should be able to get them in 24 hrs.
 
I just won a Echo CS400 and got to use it this weekend, I am impressed, I had the impression that I would be using a ho-hum heavy underpowered POS that I would quickly be boxing back up and selling, but nooooo, this saw reminds me of my Stihl MS250, and it is 5cc smaller with an adjustable oilier.

Do a muffler mod and put vxl chain on it. Then you will be impressed.
 
I have 2 Echo’s. A cs-310, great limbing saw for clearing trails and a CS-6700. Like them both. Start and run well. The thing that drives me nuts where I live is that when you need a part it doesn't matter what I need; the answer from all the Echo dealers is "we don't stock that". I've never found anything they do stock except safety chains, saws and oil. Three weeks later still no part. If I need something for my Stihl 026 I phone the shop and have the part same day or at most 2 days later.
If Echo's parts distribution was better I would be more impressed but the service they dish up around here doesn't make me want to buy another one. Exactly like buying parts for a throw away saw.
I don't expect the dealers in the city to stock a ton of parts but they should be able to get them in 24 hrs.


There's more than one online parts place for Echo parts with good parts look up . Priced real good compared to Stihl over priced parts and most times they'll arive in a few days. With more trhan one saw waiting for few days shouldn't matter. Steve
 
Well I've read these post and see now that so much of this discussion is base on the " my Schwinn bicycle is faster than your Murray". I'll straight about it, I've owned two chain saws. Poulan and my 034 Stihl. I'm not here to say the 034 is better than anybody's saw. But it works for me and that's what it's all about. The Poulan I let my brother use and never saw it again. That was a fun saw. One thing I have noticed. My 034 was priced at $345 25 years ago when we bought it. I saw one on CS last week for $300. I would saw they are holding their value pretty good. I am looking a buying a Pioneer I saw for sale just south of me. $60 won't kill me is it is a dog. :biggrin:
 

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