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I am engulfed by sweetgum. I bet around my house I could cut 20 or so cords.

I was wondering if any of you burn it?

I sale firewood to support my CAD. I was wondering if it is a okay wood to sale?
 
I burn it, never tried to sell it. Sunuvagun to split, twisted and stringy.

Small rounds, anything that will fit in the stove, I leave whole and let them season as long as it takes. Larger stuff I cut short (like only 12 inches or so), wait until the bark is loose and falling off, then split it. Real big stuff I again cut short, then noodle to fit.

I typically use sweetgum for all nighters, the big chunks. Guessing, but I would put it just a scosh over soft maple in heat throwing.

Even splitting with a hydraulic, keep your hatchet handy if cutting to your normal length. It'll bust and split and still have strings attached.

But ya, if you have tons of it, might as well use it. We have tons of it. I'm culling the more crooked ones for firewood and leaving the real straight ones for eventual way down the line selling some logs maybe.
 
6"

I have a MASS of sweetgums that are 6" and below. cords and cords.

I don't sale big quantities to full time burners. I target the weekend burners and campers with 3'x3'x16" stacks.

I just don't want to spent the time if no one will be interested in it.
 
So miserable to split, I turn it down even its free and already cut to length...unless I can fit it in my OWB.
 
Sweet and black gum, if it's 6" and under I will throw it into the "89 Octane" mix of medium hardwoods for selling, ~10" I'll leave in rounds and burn it myself after a few seasons. Big stuff I only take if it's in the way of something else, too much other nice stuff here to worry about it. It's not one of the dominant trees here, so it's no big deal to leave it.
 
Go for it!

I have a MASS of sweetgums that are 6" and below. cords and cords.

I don't sale big quantities to full time burners. I target the weekend burners and campers with 3'x3'x16" stacks.

I just don't want to spent the time if no one will be interested in it.

Six inch diameter, no splitting, go for it for campfire wood. I burn tons that size,call 'em dandelion trees, they spread like crazy. I've got tons in my stacks now. Seasons here in georgia at that size in the round in one year easy. They spread out in the fields and around parked equipment and junk and down the ditches. I have to cut them, so in the stack they go. If you ain't gotta split..try bucking up a few cords and see what happens. What else ya gonna do with them, gotta be cut anyway, make some coin. Some years past those have been 1/3rd or better of what I have burned.
 
Tbow, I have burned it but as a general rule I don't fool with it but as a last resort. That said, for the customers you mentioned it probably would be fine to mix some in. The sizes you mentioned could be left as round wood but will still take a long time to season. And yes, it is one of the hardest woods to split that I know of, at least by hand. One thing's for sure, there's no shortage of it here, grows like weeds!
 
I don't mind burning it and as a matter of fact there is a large round in my stove at
this time. I had a couple pickup loads of large rounds given to me last year right off the
stump by a tree cutting crew working for the city.

Like the fellows in the above posts state -- it's is not the easiest stuff to split. My Huskee
took each piece and split them. After seasoning for a year the rounds burn real well. I would
take some more just like it if the opportunity came along.

Nosmo
 
I got a load from a tree service several years ago. My splitter litteraly ripped it apart,not a straight
grained piece in the load. I would love to see a four way tie in to some like I had. Had to use a
hatchet a lot to cut strings.
 
Sweetgum has become popular as a boulevard or landscaping tree. Why, I don't know. Seems to me, the willow oak would be a better choice. Those spiky seed pods are a real pain to clean up. Nobody wants to walk near them. But the gum does offer good shade in summer and beautiful foliage in the fall.

It's also a very sturdy tree and can usually withstand heavy winds. We have several huge gums next to the house, they've weathered many a storm over the years. But I digress.

We've been burning sweetgum with other hardwoods for years. Here's our personal experience:

Our woodlot is over half sweetgum trees. Tall, straight and dominant. Most are over 40 years old and are quite large. The rest is maple and some oak. I take down at least one large gum and several smaller ones per year to maintain a balance.

Gum has a love/hate reputation. I guess it depends mostly on what you're gonna do with it. If you're cutting firewood to sell, gum is a nuisance tree. You cut it to get it out of your road. If you're cutting wood for your own use ~ and the wood is free, it's not a bad option if you have the time, the equipment and the patience to lay it in.

Back in the '80s, a nephew and I sold wood in the upscale neighborhoods of northern Virginia. Those folks wanted wood that was pretty. It had to be clean and pretty.

Sweetgum isn't pretty. It's ugly as sin when it's split. We couldn't sneak the stuff in. :D

Yep, it's a bear to split. Gum doesn't split so much as it mangles and tears. Anyone who can split the stuff with an axe or maul is a better man than I. We have a 16-ton Ramsplitter. A green gum round larger than 8" just bogs the thing down, all the way through. Gum has a high resin content. The grain, if one cares to call it that, is strong and stringy.

Last year I felled a large maple and it landed on three 8" gum saplings. Three gum springpoles to deal with. Those gums never splintered, they just bent. And they held that maple off the ground. :eek:

I understand there are differing opinions on when to split the stuff. For my part, I've had no luck splitting it green off the stump, even if slabbing the rounds. What I do is fell, limb and buck and take the rounds from limbs at first. The smaller rounds can be split easily enough but the main trunk has to be bucked and left to dry for 6 months or longer before they'll split.

This aspect, along with the difficulty of splitting is what steers most wood dealers away from gum. They don't have the luxury of time to leave wood lay on the ground for half the year before splitting it. Then it has to be stacked where it can season for at least a year before burning.

And it's ugly. The end of a gum round split looks like the mouth of a Jack-o-lantern.

If you're cutting your own, gum ain't bad if it's free. I'm of the mind; if it's free, it's for me. And like the old-timers used to say, you burn what you have. We have a lot of gum here. :)

Does gum contribute to creosote buildup? Only if it hasn't been allowed to dry for at least a year after splitting and stacking. I know ~ I clean my own flue. When fully seasoned, gum doesn't contribute to creosote buildup any more than any other wood.

That said, it's quite light in weight when fully seasoned and doesn't give the high heat and longevity in your stove like oak, locust and hickory. And it leaves more ash behind than more desireable hardwoods. But it catches fire quickly and burns hot.

If you've got access to it and it's free wood, go for it. Just remember to plan ahead. You don't want to burn it until it's had at least a year to season on the woodpile. :)
 
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I've been trying to get sweetgum re established in my woods (because it's native and should be here), but the darn deer eat every sapling of any type I plant. I need to learn to weld so I can make some better guards!

My parents have a large one right out the back door - definitely not the place for that tree! But it's a strong tree with a beautiful shape. While I will not be planting it near the house I would like to get some going nearby.
 
Lots of sweet gum in these parts,good luck with sellin it tho, you'd have to get lucky for someone to haul it for free.
I do burn some mostly because its in the way of whatever i'm tryin to get at. Its not unusuall for it to grow 60' and be under 10" at the ground, and in fact a lot of it snaps off several yards up from the wind.
As far as splitting some splits better than others but either way its slow cause most times it don't pop , you gotta push all the way tru..it does dry fast tho.
 
My Take on Sweetgum

I don't like to take trees down; I normally buck the ones already laying on the ground. When doing this at a man's house one day, I encountered a tree with good, hard, heavy wood that seemed like oak. The man said the tree had been down a year or two. I cut it up, took it home, and named it Devilwood. Through a lot of sweating and swearing, I got all but one piece split (including tiny pieces that should not have caused any difficulty). That remaining piece is now my splitting stump.

I have since unmasked Devilwood as Sweetgum. As others have mentioned, the splitting issue is that the grains string apart rather than split. It takes extra hits and more energy to split Sweetgum.

Like any wood, there is an ideal time and an ideal way to split Sweetgum. I suspect that Sweetgum needs to be damp in order to split well. Both the trees I'm working on have some moisture in them.

I split solely by hand. At first, I tried setting wedges and hammering through the middle. Mistake. It turns into the jack-o-lantern shape that somebody else described. Work around from the outside, going parallel to the grain a couple inches inside the bark. You won't expect it, but the exterior pieces will pop off pretty easily. Once you split the outside off, you should have taken off enough weight to attack the middle.

The middle is just plain going to suck. Pick a good spot and get your axe to bite. Then, flip it over and hammer hard at high speed, thereby forcing the weight of the wood onto the axe. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. And, repeat. That's my best method of hand-splitting Sweetgum.

Is it a hardwood? Absolutely. Should it be sold as such? I haven't had the opportunity to burn it and compare it to oak, but I know that anything that requires that much effort will be sold by me as a hardwood. I suspect it will dry to be a god bit lighter than oak, but it still makes decent wood by appearance.

Seasoned and split, Sweetgum qualifies as hardwood firewood. It's really a waste of a resource not to use.
 
I don't like to take trees down; I normally buck the ones already laying on the ground. When doing this at a man's house one day, I encountered a tree with good, hard, heavy wood that seemed like oak. The man said the tree had been down a year or two. I cut it up, took it home, and named it Devilwood. Through a lot of sweating and swearing, I got all but one piece split (including tiny pieces that should not have caused any difficulty). That remaining piece is now my splitting stump.

I have since unmasked Devilwood as Sweetgum. As others have mentioned, the splitting issue is that the grains string apart rather than split. It takes extra hits and more energy to split Sweetgum.

Like any wood, there is an ideal time and an ideal way to split Sweetgum. I suspect that Sweetgum needs to be damp in order to split well. Both the trees I'm working on have some moisture in them.

I split solely by hand. At first, I tried setting wedges and hammering through the middle. Mistake. It turns into the jack-o-lantern shape that somebody else described. Work around from the outside, going parallel to the grain a couple inches inside the bark. You won't expect it, but the exterior pieces will pop off pretty easily. Once you split the outside off, you should have taken off enough weight to attack the middle.

The middle is just plain going to suck. Pick a good spot and get your axe to bite. Then, flip it over and hammer hard at high speed, thereby forcing the weight of the wood onto the axe. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. And, repeat. That's my best method of hand-splitting Sweetgum.

Is it a hardwood? Absolutely. Should it be sold as such? I haven't had the opportunity to burn it and compare it to oak, but I know that anything that requires that much effort will be sold by me as a hardwood. I suspect it will dry to be a god bit lighter than oak, but it still makes decent wood by appearance.

Seasoned and split, Sweetgum qualifies as hardwood firewood. It's really a waste of a resource not to use.
Friend, I'm here to tell you, the only good time to split sweetgum is when the splitter is running.It doesn't get easier green or dry.The only good splitting sweetgum I have split, out of a bunch of cords(not ricks) would be tops about 8-10" diameter and dried out pretty good.The grain twist is extreme in sweetgum.

Lately I have been hauling the bigger ones I get to the tie mill,they make excellent crossties. You see,they don't split like oak ties do. A reason for everything!
 

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