The Forbidden Hack Question...

[Pelorus]

I think that is quite a fallacious argument. Using a off brand of the appropriate tool is quite different from using a completely different and inappropriate tool all together.

Dammit, I hit the "like" button by accident! And there is nuthin fallacious about a new dentist just getting into business using a Dremel tool to grind out cavities. Dentistry, like tree work is a very serious business. I just wanna avoid such fellers as |Doc senior and Doc junior.

Sorry to have come across (in your estimation) as a self-righteous prick; I just encounter many tree hackers in my particular neck of the woods. It troubled my little black heart last evening to read about the California beach boy arborists enjoying great weather (as posted on the Commercial thread) whilst I am miserable in Ontario. It also bugs me that companies Like Stihl and Husqvarna produce a "consumer" or "homeowner" line of junk saws in order to go after a broader market share. Instead of just selling top quality products. Singer used to have a good name for building a good reliable sewing machine. Nowadays they produce plastic junk.

 

[SquirrelMan]

Dammit, I hit the "like" button by accident! And there is nuthin fallacious about a new dentist just getting into business using a Dremel tool to grind out cavities. \

You do not understand what a fallacious straw man argument is obviously.

 

[treemandan]

LOL i can see from reading other threads that the poulan and their users are bashed quite a bit. Just wanted to see if anyone else uses them for simplistic tasks such cutting crotches for the chipper or bunching down brush on a trailer. If i can find one at $75 and it keeps me from missing one hour of down time then it pays for it self doesnt it?

Are you asking or telling me a question.

The thing with these cheaper saws ( well, ANOTHER thing that is) is that there is nobody to fix them.

 

[shawnw]

Dammit, I hit the "like" button by accident! And there is nuthin fallacious about a new dentist just getting into business using a Dremel tool to grind out cavities. Dentistry, like tree work is a very serious business. I just wanna avoid such fellers as |Doc senior and Doc junior.

Sorry to have come across (in your estimation) as a self-righteous prick; I just encounter many tree hackers in my particular neck of the woods. It troubled my little black heart last evening to read about the California beach boy arborists enjoying great weather (as posted on the Commercial thread) whilst I am miserable in Ontario. It also bugs me that companies Like Stihl and Husqvarna produce a "consumer" or "homeowner" line of junk saws in order to go after a broader market share. Instead of just selling top quality products. Singer used to have a good name for building a good reliable sewing machine. Nowadays they produce plastic junk.

How many homeowners do you do work for know the difference between an MS250 and a MS261? How about Poulan or Stihl? Better yet....how many (of the people that "know" the difference) even care? People are cheap. Around here if you're the cheapest and insured (even insurance is iffy) you get the job. They don't care how you do it they just want it done.

 

[Pelorus]

How many homeowners do you do work for know the difference between an MS250 and a MS261? How about Poulan or Stihl? Better yet....how many (of the people that "know" the difference) even care? People are cheap. Around here if you're the cheapest and insured (even insurance is iffy) you get the job. They don't care how you do it they just want it done.

Exactly! People ARE cheap. And my ISA CA credential counts for didley squat up here. But anybody shopping for a saw at a Stihl dealership certainly will be told the difference between models. The whole point of this exercise is that the OP is using "consumer model" saws to earn a living doing tree work "professionally". Like a dentist using a Dremel.....

 

[SquirrelMan]

Exactly! People ARE cheap. And my ISA CA credential counts for didley squat up here. But anybody shopping for a saw at a Stihl dealership certainly will be told the difference between models. The whole point of this exercise is that the OP is using "consumer model" saws to earn a living doing tree work "professionally". Like a dentist using a Dremel.....

Once again... using a MS 250 instead of a MS 260 is not anything like a dentist using a dremel which is completely unrelated to denistry.
To educate you a small bit, here is what you are trying to do to win this argument.
A straw man, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[3] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position

Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A straw man is a weak argument, it is used by weak people, dont be a weak person.

 

[Gologit]

Once again... using a MS 250 instead of a MS 260 is not anything like a dentist using a dremel which is completely unrelated to denistry.
To educate you a small bit, here is what you are trying to do to win this argument.
A straw man, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[3] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position

Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A straw man is a weak argument, it is used by weak people, dont be a weak person.

You're going to verrrrrry popular here... I just know it. :msp_rolleyes:

 

[Youngbuck20]

If the saw isnt going to be used in a tree or in any other situation where a real saw needs to be used then giver! If its gunna pay for itself why wouldnt ya buy it? Buy some loppers maybe. If the small branches are like an inch or less then loppers would work fine. No gas, no hazard, potentially just as fast as a wild thing. If someones gunna call you a hack just because your using a garbage saw for garbage work then thats their prob.

 

[SquirrelMan]

You're going to verrrrrry popular here... I just know it. :msp_rolleyes:

Yeah, I dont take :censored: Makes me real popular both with ppl who dont take it and even more so with people who are full of it.. :msp_rolleyes:

 

[SquirrelMan]

If the saw isnt going to be used in a tree or in any other situation where a real saw needs to be used then giver! If its gunna pay for itself why wouldnt ya buy it? Buy some loppers maybe. If the small branches are like an inch or less then loppers would work fine. No gas, no hazard, potentially just as fast as a wild thing. If someones gunna call you a hack just because your using a garbage saw for garbage work then thats their prob.

Yeah, thats the truth. I can understand the guys point about being a ISA arb though.. Im sure if the ISA ever caught a arborist using "homeowner" saw (even a stihl 250...) they would strip his certification just as quickly as they would a dentist who uses a dremel... LOL I know there are alot of idiots in the industry but I am still surprised to meet one who at least claims to be isa cert.

 

[2treeornot2tree]

Why don't you just get a Stihl 192. That way you can use it to climb with if needed and at the chipper for crotches

 

[Pelorus]

Yeah, thats the truth. I can understand the guys point about being a ISA arb though.. Im sure if the ISA ever caught a arborist using "homeowner" saw (even a stihl 250...) they would strip his certification just as quickly as they would a dentist who uses a dremel... LOL I know there are alot of idiots in the industry but I am still surprised to meet one who at least claims to be isa cert.

I have a 250 I keep by the chipper for the donkey to use. They are perfectly suited for one another.
My cert number is ON-0459A. The same number that I had back in the '90s when I also had an ISA and NAA membership, duh.
You dropped a fair bit of coin on buying climbing gear. Right?
So why the heck are you gonna cheap out by buying a Poulan? This is analogous (not a straw man) to a carpenter driving a nice truck that uses a $2.99 hammer he got at Wallyworld. Not saying he has to buy a Stiletto, but if You are gonna play the game, You need the right tools.
Leave the homeowner saws for homeowners to use on weekends.

 

[Youngbuck20]

Yeah, thats the truth. I can understand the guys point about being a ISA arb though.. Im sure if the ISA ever caught a arborist using "homeowner" saw (even a stihl 250...) they would strip his certification just as quickly as they would a dentist who uses a dremel... LOL I know there are alot of idiots in the industry but I am still surprised to meet one who at least claims to be isa cert.

Not everyone can afford the best tools. No one can be stripped of anything based on the tools they use. Its still a chainsaw, it sucks, a lot, but it will work, sometimes lol. The 192 is a good idea. I have one and the more I use it the more I like it. It cant blow through wood by any means but will do your task and more just fine.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Yeah, I dont take :censored: Makes me real popular both with ppl who dont take it and even more so with people who are full of it.. :msp_rolleyes:

Man, you got some real thin skin.
Jeff

 

[treemandan]

Man, you got some real thin skin.
Jeff

Yeah and nobody even said anything rude.

I have seen those saws in action and they are very slow and underpowered. It will do nothing but piss a working man off or keep a wannabe busy yanking on it.

 

[Pelorus]

You can save even more $$$ by buying a factory recon Poulan on sale at a place like Princess Auto!
Just trying to be helpful here, and not stir the pot or anything like that. :cool2:

 

[Bermie]

That 250 should NOT go down in an hr...
If its just the chain coming off, then do a thorough investigation of your tension, the bar condition, sprocket condition.
Do you know what to look for on the bar and sprocket, besides an obvious burr on the sides? I'd rather ask first than post a bunch of stuff if you already know.

 

[SquirrelMan]

Yeah and nobody even said anything rude.

I have seen those saws in action and they are very slow and underpowered. It will do nothing but piss a working man off or keep a wannabe busy yanking on it.

I was compared to a dentist using a dremel to perform dental surgery since I use a stihl 250 and 290.. Calling me a hack is rude, especially in consideration that I follow all the ISA codes, never spiked a tree to trim and do not use illegals. I might be small and not too fancy, but I am not a hack.

 

[SquirrelMan]

Man, you got some real thin skin.
Jeff

If I compared your work to a third world unlicensed dentist using a power tool to work on patients, your panties would be all in wad, nothing compared to the comments I have made.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Yeah and nobody even said anything rude.

Right, but then, Squirrel's are sensitive. They don't fit into a 'Man-Suit'.
Jeff