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Quit bein' reasonable Gologit, I was waiting for his head to explode.

It is tough to get a start, it was so in the 1970s, more so now.

Give Montana a look.

Whoa! Don't send him up here. Ha that's a good one, I think the last timber job left Montana about ten years ago. There are already too many people there who went chasing a dream that didn't exist, went broke and got stuck in a small town. Man I have known a lot of people like that.
 
A lumberjack is what a 6 year old boy dreams of becoming til he grows up and puts on his mommy's clothes.

Or goes on a public forum with red eyes and a dish rag over his shoulder , complaining about how tired he was from cramming Benny floppy ears in her evening dress.
 
I don't plan on leaving my current career, but I do plan to try my hand at running a very small time tree service. Since you already had your own business, maybe this route would work for you as well. This is my current plan, but may be modified.

I have a few of my own saws from a limbing saw, a pole saw, and a couple 14/16" saws, up to my largest being an MS290. No professional fleet, but they all start and cut. I have a pickup and trailers for hauling brush/limbs (one is a strong but small dump trailer). I plan on getting insurance and probably will start an LLC after more research into the business end of things. When money allows, I'll decide on what to purchase first: 6" chipper, sc252/352 sized grinder, telephone company type 30' bucket truck, mason dump truck, etc.


I am very comfortable cutting and working with trees in my yard and family members' yards, especially after Sandy passed through, but I respect that I am not am not nearly experienced enough to tackle every job. In keeping my full time job, I'll be able to accept the jobs that I know I can safely handle/profit from and say "I'm too busy" for the jobs that I don't feel comfortable working on yet.


Being in the Sandy area as well, it's hard not to jump in knowing the amount of work that is around. However, my current hope is to start up next spring. In the mean time, I am going to really start paying attention to the small around the house and for the family jobs that I do and see how I can do it better, faster, and safer. I also plan on hanging around in the trees in my backyard as I learn how to carefully climb or at least get off of the ground. I'd like to reach $1,000-$2,000 a month the first year and slowly add to my equipment as I can afford it. Worst case, I'm hoping to cover operating costs. Hopefully, I'll see an increase in the jobs as time goes on. I understand many of the difficulties of this profession, but definitely not all.
Sounds great. I am seriously thinking about doing the same thing.
 
These guys are great

Hey, I cleaned up a downed tree after a storm. I am going PRO. I cant wait to get my earthquake viper 42cc saw into some big WOOD! Anyone willing to take on a greenhorn LUMBERJACK lolololol?

I want to be on a crew with StihlPower, leland and lilred!:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Best Wishes,

SAWs

PS- stick to ur day job! Stihlpower your 15 years too old. Leland you know just enough to get someone hurt. Lred these guys make you look pro, and they will be undercutting your 13 bones an hour in no time.:laugh::laugh:
 
Hey, I cleaned up a downed tree after a storm. I am going PRO. I cant wait to get my earthquake viper 42cc saw into some big WOOD! Anyone willing to take on a greenhorn LUMBERJACK lolololol?

I want to be on a crew with StihlPower, leland and lilred!:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Best Wishes,

SAWs

PS- stick to ur day job! Stihlpower your 15 years too old. Leland you know just enough to get someone hurt. Lred these guys make you look pro, and they will be undercutting your 13 bones an hour in no time.:laugh::laugh:
Your never to old sawsalottawood remember that. I am still young and strong as an ox. Send me your resume and maybe I will let you on the crew. Lol!!
 
If someone told me 14 years ago to stay a Ironworker and forget about all this being your own boss nonsense I would of called him a weak fool , now if someone told me that I could be an Ironworker again and have a steady position and retire nicely I would hug him . Think about what your leaving to getting yourself into , me I was too smart to see what was the better of the 2 choices , granted now I feel that I have crossed over the hump its still a up hill battle and time moves fast when your always behind .
 
If someone told me 14 years ago to stay a Ironworker and forget about all this being your own boss nonsense I would of called him a weak fool , now if someone told me that I could be an Ironworker again and have a steady position and retire nicely I would hug him . Think about what your leaving to getting yourself into , me I was too smart to see what was the better of the 2 choices , granted now I feel that I have crossed over the hump its still a up hill battle and time moves fast when your always behind .

Thank you that's good advice.
 
Eh, I plan on being safe and refusing jobs that I'm not suited for, but I guess we'll see.

Guided by this mentality and no equipment, making for a lot of work, I can't imagine I'd be taking too many jobs or undercutting any body that does this for a living.
 
OK, stihlpowerr. I am gonna give this a shot, even though this will be about the tenth time I have said the same things on here. I'll even try to be nice, so as not to lose your attention immediately.

First off, I can save lots of typing by giving you a little homework assignment. Go back thru this thread and carefully read each of the posts by Gologit. I have never met the man, but I know that he is speaking the truth. His experiences cutting wood have been very different than mine, yet much the same I fear.

Secondly, cutting wood is really hard work. You are 39, and that tells me that by the time you are competent rigging from a rope and saddle your body is going to be wearing out quickly. And, having done it myself (before buncher-fellers) I can guarantee you that logging is a fool's game these days. Now that the woods where I used to cut are mostly mechanized, there are VERY few jobs for full time cutters. And, you could never understand what a bad idea it is until you have been brush f#c$ed all day and burned ten or eleven tanks thru a saw that runs an hour plus on each tank. That's about the time the Forest Service will close the roads and you get to watch your logs sit in the woods (no pay). Oh, and don't forget that the housing market stinks and the mill will also quit taking logs when they can't sell them. Unstable markets, federal regulations, etc.
Hope you have enough money in the bank to live for a month with NO pay.

And, while you CAN make a buck in urban forestry, it's even more work than logging in my experience. And, a whole other set of conundrums, travesties, and never ending dilemmas. I am pushing 50 now, and still climb on a limited basis. Back surgery happened for me at age 25, and it never gets better. Hurts like hell. I live like a freakin' desperado as an arborist and it really makes me feel stupid. But I sure can't live on the 8 dollar an hour wages they're paying these days. I do have other skills to fall back on, as well as a college education. The wood wh#ring kinda gets in your blood and it's hard to give up for some sick twisted reason. So, kinda like smoking tobacco, what I'm trying to say is DON'T START!!

Apologies to all for the long winded post. While it might sound like I am whining, I am really only trying to speak the Truth. And I wish I had a straight job with retirement and health care.....
It is my fault for the choices I made, and I take full responsibility for that. Good luck to you, sir.
 
In my teens and early twenties, I worked with relatives and a couple contractors cutting wood. I quit cause it is brutal on the body. Watched my uncles turn into cripples in their mid-forties onwards due to back, shoulder and other joint injuries requiring surgery and long recovery periods that were never followed cause they needed money.

It is all mechanized today and hard to compete against.

I use those skills today to help people. Do a lot of volunteer work with storm recovery cutting and training people that want to learn how to cut safely. Not a know it all, but willing to listen to those that are wiser.

Went to college and got a viable degree in engineering. Made more money much easier with that degree than logging and working potato farms. Never forgot my roots, have nothing but the utmost respect for those that choose to do this for a living.

Listen to those that did this for twenty - thirty years. Why are they all saying the same thing? It sure is not because they are afraid of some competition.
 
Aborealbuffoon and Currently said it right...and it gives you two sides of the coin. "Getting" to cut wood and having to cut wood are two very different things.

I started logging because, where I came from, career choices were limited. I've stuck with it, quitting occasionally to briefly try other things, for about fifty years. It's all I ever wanted to do. I wonder about that sometimes.

I've been very lucky in that I've always been able to make a decent living. That's not through any special or unique ability on my part. My skill sets are very common in this part of the country. A lot of times it was just being in the right place at the right time with a good word from somebody to get my foot in the door. Logging isn't steady work and we were networking with each other to find jobs long before networking was a buzz word.

I've never filled out an employment application for a logging job...it's always a phone call from somebody I've worked for , or a coffee shop conversation, or running into a friend at the saw shop who mentions that so and so is looking for somebody...that's where the jobs come from.

I do the same thing when I'm looking to hire somebody. I have a book with the names and numbers of good workers that I trust. I won't hire a guy off the street that I don't know. Neither will anybody else . There are always experienced guys out of work to pick from. That in itself should tell you something about this business.

The other guys mentioned that logging is hard on the body. It is. It's not as bad now as it was when I started because of the increased mechanization but there's still enough risk involved to keep our workman's comp rates some of the highest there are.
Most of the guys that started when I did are either on permanent disability...or dead. I've seen many guys get hurt in the woods and I've packed out two falling partners who never knew what hit them.
And again, I've been lucky. I've had two knee replacements, back surgery, a hip repair, two broken legs, two broken arms, a broken collar bone, and two heart attacks. I'm not counting all the scrapes and tears and cuts and bruises that weren't serious enough to go home early for. It's just part of the life.

I don't know much about being an arborist. The only climbing I've done was years ago, topping spar trees and hanging rigging. That's easy stuff compared to the kind of climbing an arborist does. But having watched them work and having listened closely when they talk I truly believe that their work is just as dangerous and just as hard on the body as logging.

Find something else to do. If you want to cut a little wood there are always volunteer trail crews and church groups that do charity cuts. Buy a woodstove and cut up your own firewood. It's good exercise and you can go home when you want to.
 
Think about it the same as you would any career - consider the career progression opportunities, take home pay working hours, employee benefits, risks, and the lifestyle.... or how much you enjoy the job. Too many guys that startup in these sorts of industries have no concept of the costs of being in business, they just think they're doing well because they get cash in their pocket each day but wonder why they're always broke. The costs involved are significant. If you're running your own show then by the time you take out insurance, tax, equipment costs, depreciation, fuel, vehicle running expenses, saws, maintenance, something for things that break, something for future acquisitions, then take whatever is left over.... remove something for retirement, holidays, sick days, clothing/safety equipment and maybe some income protection insurance for when you get hurt... divide whatever is left by 52 and you'll come up with what you earn in a year. Or what you have to pay to keep working in some cases!

Add in that there are no guarantees, and long term contracts are rare so you don't know how things will be from month to month. If you live in a cold state you may not get any work in winter. Same story if you get a lot of rain. Same story if the economy isn't going well. Same story if someone in your area starts undercutting you etc...

If you're still interested then I'd reccomend urban tree work over logging. You'll be starting at the bottom which means dragging brush and feeding a chipper, cleaning up and cutting up branches, sharpening/fueling saws, possibly driving the truck, and running ropes. Pay starts at around $10/hour. After a few months you'll probably know what you need to know about grounding. Now it's time to start learning to climb, then rig. You'll need certification/training if you want to be any good. Expect to be competent after a couple years experience. You won't have much to show for it. Then you'll need some $$$ for a truck, chipper, saws, climbing gear, rigging gear, insurance etc. After another 2-3 years you ought to have that paid off if things go well and you'll be ready to make your first dollar. You'll be about 45 by then, and in a position to make about as much as any guy in the tree game, which is less than what you think. Running a business means you have the potential to make a profit or a loss.

I'd say have a go. You've got nothing to lose but your time. Ring every tree company in your area, tell them you're looking for ground work. Say you've got osme experience working for a friend/family member and that you can run a saw. Some hack will give you a start. If you still like it after a few weeks, call around again. You'll know enough to bluff your way into a better job at that point.

Or if you just need to get your fill of being outdoors doing man stuff don't be afraid of doing some weekend firewooding. Pays for your toys, and you can still making a living mid week.

Shaun
 
A lumberjack is what a 6 year old boy dreams of becoming til he grows up and puts on his mommy's clothes.

Thats it, Daminit, that was good coffee too, now I need windex, paper towels, and this keyboard might get replaced.

Thanks,





really thanks
 
Thats it, Daminit, that was good coffee too, now I need windex, paper towels, and this keyboard might get replaced.

Thanks,





really thanks

I won't even pick my nose reading one of Treemandan's posts :msp_scared: let alone trying to eat or drink something. :msp_angry:
 
You won't believe this but I just got a job offer to work at the local lumber yard. I really want to cut trees down but it all ends up at the lumber yard. What to do?
 
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