Skeans
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Here's our short wood or small loader, 135 top with a high and wide 200 under carriage it works really well.
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Here's our short wood or small loader, 135 top with a high and wide 200 under carriage it works really well.
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Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Correct sir, that can be an issue.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
I'm a big fan of Kobelco. . . I love running the ED150!!
Here's our short wood or small loader, 135 top with a high and wide 200 under carriage it works really well.
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In fact, that would be my machine of choice under 20 ton.
Skeans
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I am too they are less expensive from day one and they fast with good hydraulics. Plus the motors they use sip fuel the 135 uses an Isuzu motor and the 200 has a Mitsubishi motor both haven't given us a hiccup.
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Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Yes!! Their hydro is amazingly fast. Makes a Cat 315 seem like it's on 1/4 speed.
If I'm ever financially able, I'll own a 150/180/190.
Probably just a 150 though, there's not much it can't do. Easier to mobe too, like Matt was saying.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
There's got to be a **** ton of 150's out there by now.
In 2007, my contractor neighbor bought one for $155k, and that dang thing has made him money hand over fist!
Northy, find one to demo, even if you can't buy, you'll dig it.
In 2007, my contractor neighbor bought one for $155k, and that dang thing has made him money hand over fist!
Northy, find one to demo, even if you can't buy, you'll dig it.
Skeans
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I saw one not long ago in Portland set up with a small bar saw with a manual qc all guarded up but it looked like a 200 sized one.There's got to be a **** ton of 150's out there by now.
In 2007, my contractor neighbor bought one for $155k, and that dang thing has made him money hand over fist!
Northy, find one to demo, even if you can't buy, you'll dig it.
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Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
This one had 7000 hours, and sold out of Seattle on eBay for 48k.
I was hunting about 5 years ago, and walked through an active unit. The logger had a 180 sitting there. He must have loaded with it, built road, etc.
I was hunting about 5 years ago, and walked through an active unit. The logger had a 180 sitting there. He must have loaded with it, built road, etc.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
My neighbors machine was setup with HPF buckets and thumb, and auto quick-attach.
Quality products for sure.
http://www.hpf.com/rotaters.asp
Quality products for sure.
http://www.hpf.com/rotaters.asp
Messed around with an older kobelco 200 few weeks ago, asking 19.5 for it plumbed but no thumb, If I had the money I probably would have signed the paper work and walked out with it.
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treeslayer2003
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this^^^is why i work alone and only get a few loads a week. laugh all ya want, but i enjoy logging not sitting on a phone and listening to whiners. i been bigger, i ain't going back to that. all that did was make other folks money, wear out my iron, and make my hair fall out.Exactly right. Plus, as your company gets bigger you'll find that you're spending less time in the woods and more time in the office. Time becomes your most valuable resource. Phone calls, meetings, the whole thing becomes a constant and never ending series of problem solving. A lot of the problems are petty and irritating but they're still there to be dealt with. If you don't deal with them they get bigger.
Hiring, firing, buying and selling equipment, more phone calls, more meetings, dealing with all the agencies and 'ologists, listening to the bean counters, lining up vendors, having to be polite to people that you'd really rather grab by the neck with both hands and choke until their face turns blue...all these things take up every minute of your day. And they cost.
Don't forget all the contracts and contract language and trying to understand all the legalese in the contracts...because if you don't you can get a royal screwing from something in the fine print... and finally having to have a lawyer on retainer to decipher the contracts. More meetings and more phone calls.
There's also the fact that you never really get a day off. If your home phone rings after nine at night and before daylight I guarantee it's going to be bad news. Something broke, something burned up, somebody is in jail, or somebody is mad about something and wants something done about it right now.
Other than all that it's not really a bad way to make a living. Except for the phone calls. And the meetings. You'll think back often on how nice it was when all you had to worry about was the next tree to cut or whether to change the oil in the skidder tonight or tomorrow. You won't think about that too long though 'cause the phone will ring...and you'll have to go to another meeting.
SliverPicker
ArboristSite Guru
Dang it Northy. You always seem to hit a nerve.
I love this job.
I love this job.
I agree with you guys-to an extent. When your company reaches a certain size, it can make your life really, really hard.
But, I will leave this out on the table. If you can take the next step beyond that-as in hire a person in a supervisory position, your life gets a lot easier. For example...
Two years ago I was trying to grow beyond the owner supervising a crew with my Pennsylvania operation. I was tearing my hair out trying to manage the money *and* the operations sides of the operation. So... I bid a few projects way out of my league, and then scavenged the resources to make it happen. Some of those resources were people. I went to engineering school, but that doesn't qualify me on the business side. So, with my newfound cash flow, I hired a guy with a business degree to work in the office. That made my life a lot easier.
Then last year I spent a lot of time buying out and rebuilding my uncle's company in Louisville, so I had to give up control to a guy I'd hired out of college and then groomed to be a supervisor. By doing that, I gave him autonomy to do what he felt was best. Then, I spent this year fighting fires, so he was in charge again.
The key in any business is, in my opinion, to formulate a long-term plan, stick with it, then hire people to do the administrative stuff when you finally can afford to do so. But that's solely my advice, that may or may not be applicable to you.
But, I will leave this out on the table. If you can take the next step beyond that-as in hire a person in a supervisory position, your life gets a lot easier. For example...
Two years ago I was trying to grow beyond the owner supervising a crew with my Pennsylvania operation. I was tearing my hair out trying to manage the money *and* the operations sides of the operation. So... I bid a few projects way out of my league, and then scavenged the resources to make it happen. Some of those resources were people. I went to engineering school, but that doesn't qualify me on the business side. So, with my newfound cash flow, I hired a guy with a business degree to work in the office. That made my life a lot easier.
Then last year I spent a lot of time buying out and rebuilding my uncle's company in Louisville, so I had to give up control to a guy I'd hired out of college and then groomed to be a supervisor. By doing that, I gave him autonomy to do what he felt was best. Then, I spent this year fighting fires, so he was in charge again.
The key in any business is, in my opinion, to formulate a long-term plan, stick with it, then hire people to do the administrative stuff when you finally can afford to do so. But that's solely my advice, that may or may not be applicable to you.
SliverPicker
ArboristSite Guru
I was told the same exact thing only in different words by a very successful logger from around these parts.
(I'd "like"catbuster's last post twice if'n only I could.)
(I'd "like"catbuster's last post twice if'n only I could.)
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
QTLA!!
SliverPicker
ArboristSite Guru
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Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
HuskStihl
Chairin'em for the sound
Not exactly logging, but I've promoted trusted employees to management positions, only to have them steal from me and patients. Cost me money, but more importantly dinged my reputation. Trust but verify.
I agree, but if this guy did that, he'd face immediate termination, legal charges and I'd discredit any work he's done under me for his P.E license, which is a big step for an engineer.
And, stealing from a contractor for companies like BP and Exxon would burn his reputation so badly he would never land another engineering or management job. Managing people sometimes requires holding things like that over people. It's written in his contract that states the terms of his employment, so it's very clear that should he try to burn the company, he leaves with burns that will scar his career. Is it nice? No. Is it legal? Yes.
