New 346XP by Husqvarna!

[bwalker]

The woods ported 346 is another beast all together.

I wasnt talking about woods port saws.

Harry isnt complaining about his 290 so the reputation earning continues

Reputation being based on a bunch of lemmings isnt a good thing.
As far as I can tell the reputation of the saw companies is analagous to car companies. In certain parts of MI all you see are Fords, in certain parts GM vehicles. So it goes with saws.
My point is sales/reputation is not indicative of quality or performance because in most cases buying decisions are based on brand loyalty, emotion or perception, and not reality.

 

[SawTroll]

I can't dispute that (where ge rep was earned) - same for Husky etc..
However, much as we'd like to see a different saw world, Harry isnt complaining about his 290 so the reputation earning continues...

That's really too bad, poor Harry.......:help:

 

[THALL10326]

I wasnt talking about woods port saws.



Reputation being based on a bunch of lemmings isnt a good thing.
As far as I can tell the reputation of the saw companies is analagous to car companies. In certain parts of MI all you see are Fords, in certain parts GM vehicles. So it goes with saws.
My point is sales/reputation is not indicative of quality or performance because in most cases buying decisions are based on brand loyalty, emotion or perception, and not reality.

Ben your still side stepping. So lets be blunt. In your opinion Ben is 12 years of constant week in week out running of a chain saw used everyday a good way to build customer loyatly to that brand, yes or no?

 

[THALL10326]

Ok

The answer is a HUGE YES and thats why Stihl has that loyatly. Has nothing to do with car comparsions Ben, it all about longivity and trouble free performance, speed in the cut can't match it and the proof is in the sales..

 

[bwalker]

Ben your still side stepping. So lets be blunt. In your opinion Ben is 12 years of constant week in week out running of a chain saw used everyday a good way to build customer loyatly to that brand, yes or no?

I can say with some certainty that no saw form any maker will last for 12 years of CONSTANT use. Most loggers get a year out of a saw give or take in my kneck of the woods.
Lets do some math. 5 days a week x 52 weeks= 260 days. 260 days x 6 hours a day=1560hours. 1560 hours x 12 years=18,720hours. There isnt a snowballs chance in heii that any saw will last for over 18,000 hours!

The 346 race, once again Ben you miss the point. The man can't get his break cover off for crying out loud, do you really think he cares about performance. Its the small things like that little issue that put performance dead last on the owners mind. Second fact trouble free performance is much better than fast performace with small problems. How do I know, look who has the brand loyalty..

I didnt miss the point at all. Your observation proves my point that the majority of your customers and customers in general are idiots and wouldnt know the differance between a good saw and a POS.

 

[outdoortype]

c'mon Ben....

"...customers in general are idiots and wouldn't know the difference between a good saw and pos". A POS wouldn't have lasted like the 044 the tree service had.
And by the way, one of the first posts in this thread mentioned maybe this will be the final nail in the 026's coffin or something to that effect. If that were true, what the h*ll would we have to talk about? If everyone bought and used 346's, things would be very dull. You want ice cream, well then all we have is vanilla.

 

[XJWoody]

Said it before & I'll say it again... most 'customers' won't be hipped up to (or care much about) "specs" or seek out an enthusiast site such as this prior to purchasing something like a saw. They'll either trundle off to the box-store or down to their local OPE emporium. When the get there, they'll either be guided by their budget, or into whatever model the sales folk advises.

Hopefully that salesperson has the gumption to get them into a thingie that will suit their needs. If their needs are met by a FarmBoss or a Rancher, what help is it to the normal customer to be upsold into a 361 or 357 (or insert your favorite brand/model/size here)

Are they going to care that the thing cuts a log a few seconds faster than a ___? Probably not, as long as the thing starts when they tug the string a couple of times, and cuts wood when they lay a finger to the Go trigger.

Are they going to be awed that the thing has a magnesium case or advanced emission control devices?
Probably not, as long as it doesn't blow up and scatter chunks of plastic (um, I mean Space Age Polymer) around the woodlot, especially in front of their non-enthusiast buddies.

Is increased resale/trade-in value a real consideration?
Probably not... As long as the thing meets their needs, is reliable, and doesn't blow up in front of witnesses, they will likely keep it for many years.

If I were selling them, I'd be Really Clear on the need for them to do whatever is recommended to keep the thing in top shape. (No pondwater fuel mixed with OB oil. No leaving said mix in there over the off-season. Dusty chips means sharpen the chain. Clean the air filter, swap the plug. etc...)

Calling someone's customers idiots may seem 'trendy'... but if they leave happy, and come back happy, they are what I'd call Good Customers.

If I were in the OPE biz... I'd probably love or hate an "enthusiast" customer. I'd love the fact that they'd know what (& why) they needed most of the time. I'd hate them because I'd probably be second guessed at every turn, and face the attempted whittling down at every sale. But since I'm not... I'll be content to be that guy that goes shopping with an IPL printout so I get what I need & has a decent clue what it might cost (that hasn't been much an issue lately)

 

[SawTroll]

I can say with some certainty that no saw form any maker will last for 12 years of CONSTANT use. Most loggers get a year out of a saw give or take in my kneck of the woods.
Lets do some math. 5 days a week x 52 weeks= 260 days. 260 days x 6 hours a day=1560hours. 1560 hours x 12 years=18,720hours. There isnt a snowballs chance in heii that any saw will last for over 18,000 hours!
......

They probably used some other saws as well, and had to drive to and from the jobs - would that be a big surprice?????

I don't for a second think that a tree service saw gets the same number of hours use per day as a logging saw.........

 

[THALL10326]

I can say with some certainty that no saw form any maker will last for 12 years of CONSTANT use. Most loggers get a year out of a saw give or take in my kneck of the woods.
Lets do some math. 5 days a week x 52 weeks= 260 days. 260 days x 6 hours a day=1560hours. 1560 hours x 12 years=18,720hours. There isnt a snowballs chance in heii that any saw will last for over 18,000 hours!


I didnt miss the point at all. Your observation proves my point that the majority of your customers and customers in general are idiots and wouldnt know the differance between a good saw and a POS.

Ben your showing your in a box with your math. Your using a calulator makes me sit here and grin thinking you just can't admit it. You can do the math, which is pointless, account for driving time and vacations Ben,LOL, but you still can't fess up the man got good service for 12 years like the OWNER of the saws said. You won't convince him or me of anything other than your pretty good with a calulator and calling customers idoits,haha. I don't see them sitting around calulating,LOL

Your so defensive of a man having good service out of Stihl. Tends to tell me your still a closet Husky lover, come out the closet Ben, its ok, if you like them Huskies thats fine with me.....

 

[bwalker]

Thall twas you who said : 12 years of CONSTANT service"
If any saw lasts 12 years in the hands of a pro it wasnt run very much.

if you like them Huskies thats fine with me.....

I run what fits my needs and performs the best. Sometimes Stihl and sometimes Husky. Its no secret that I generally prefer Husky saws based on the features they have and the way they perform. I also prefer Stihl trimmers over most any on the market. For blowers I like Redmax.

 

[bwalker]

BTW Thall even if that 044 and 046 where only ran 2 hours a day they would still accumulate over 6000 hours. No saw will las this long.

 

[SawTroll]

Thall twas you who said : 12 years of CONSTANT service"
If any saw lasts 12 years in the hands of a pro it wasnt run very much.

My guess is that "constant service" actually means that was out on jobs (in a truck or whatever, or actually in use), most of the time.

"In service" obviously doesn't imply that they were actually run all the time.

I know for a fact that you are not stupid, so I guess you really just are stirring the pot here......
:greenchainsaw:

 

[bwalker]

Troll, if the saw was only ran 2 hours a day it wouldnt last that long. Point is a I dont buy the fact that a saw will last for 12 years of professional use. It simply will not.
Of course if ridding around in the truck while the Huskys get'r done constitutes "constant use", than maybe they did last 12 years......

 

[SawTroll]

Troll, if the saw was only ran 2 hours a day it wouldnt last that long. Point is a I dont buy the fact that a saw will last for 12 years of professional use. It simply will not.
Of course if ridding around in the truck while the Huskys get'r done constitutes "constant use", than maybe they did last 12 years......

No-one actually said that they were run each day at all, I believe - I suspect they may have served as backup saws for quite a while, but that's just a guess.....

 

[THALL10326]

BTW Thall even if that 044 and 046 where only ran 2 hours a day they would still accumulate over 6000 hours. No saw will las this long.

Ben constant use means whenever they use the saws, duh. It doesn't mean every single hour of everyday or everyday of the week. Its means they were used by a tree service when needed. I don't know of any tree service that even works every single day of the year. I think what your simply doing is avoiding admitting the man got good service out of those saws for that last 12 years just like the man said so himself. It was he, not me, that said they had paid for themselves a hundred times over.

You my freind always seem to find someway of beating around the bush when in fact all you had to say was yeah, 12 years is good service. I'm sure had I said he was running 372's your reply would have been quite different.

I like arguing with you but I'm not backing down no matter how much you refuse to admit the man got good service life out of those two saws. Tell me Ben when is the last time you saw a Husky that had so many hours of use on it the piston skirt wore so thin it finally fell apart?? If you have seen such Huskies do that then I say they served their purpose quite well.

I am glad to see your getting better at admitting you for the most part prefer Husky, I have no problem with that at all.

 

[RiverRat2]

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[THALL10326]

"I didnt miss the point at all. Your observation proves my point that the majority of your customers and customers in general are idiots and wouldnt know the differance between a good saw and a POS."

Ben I was gonna ignore what you wrote but you know it really says alot about you. Like it or not Ben one day you are going to have to grow up. Let me explain why I say that.

Did a tree job for one of these so called idiots your talking about. He didn't know much about saws. When I went out to this mans house and saw it was a million dollar mansion on a 5 acre piece of land it was obvious to me he is no idiot whether he knows saws or not. He had a long slick BMW sitting in the drive and a Mercedes in the garage. I took the liberty of asking him just how much you got in that house, he said oh about 9 MILLION. Now Ben I'm sure you think I'm lying but when Riverrat made a visit here I took him to this very house to see. So he can verify I'm telling the truth here. Long story short I sawed up a small tree for the man in about 20 minutes, put a 100.00 in my pocket and left.

Now look at the above and you tell me the man is a idiot just because he doesn't know saws. I myself would rather have that 9 million home and you can have all the saws you want. If you think knowing saws is better than laying out on the pool at a 9 million dollar mansion then your the idiot, no question about it.

 

[bwalker]

Ben constant use means whenever they use the saws, duh.

Which cant be much, given how long their saws last....

Ben constant use means whenever they use the saws, duh. It doesn't mean every single hour of everyday or everyday of the week. Its means they were used by a tree service when needed. I don't know of any tree service that even works every single day of the year. I think what your simply doing is avoiding admitting the man got good service out of those saws for that last 12 years just like the man said so himself. It was he, not me, that said they had paid for themselves a hundred times over.

I did the figuring based on a 5 day work week which is equal to 260 days per year. Like I said if they only used the saws for 2 hours on average each day they still wouldnt last 12 years.
I am not avoiding anything. I simply think its BS.

No-one actually said that they were run each day at all,

So your saying "constant use" means used sporadicly?
To play devils advocate lets say they only ran the saws a hour per day. At that rate they would have over 3000 hours on them in a 12 year period.

 

[bwalker]

Thall, when it comes to saws the guys a idiot..
When it comes to 9 million dollar homes on a postage stamp lot, you and I are both idiots......

 

[THALL10326]

Which cant be much, given how long their saws last....

I did the figuring based on a 5 day work week which is equal to 260 days per year. Like I said if they only used the saws for 2 hours on average each day they still wouldnt last 12 years.
I am not avoiding anything. I simply think its BS.


So your saying "constant use" means used sporadicly?
To play devils advocate lets say they only ran the saws a hour per day. At that rate they would have over 3000 hours on them in a 12 year period.

LOLOL, Ben you crack me up. Does it bother you that bad that the man who owns those 2 Stihls will buy nothing but Stihl because of the good service he gets out of them. Tell ya what Ben when he comes in to pick up those old wore out saws I'm gonna ask him why he doesn't use Husky just for you. I think I already know the answer but I'll ask and make sure. I think he will merely say the Stihls serve him well. Who knows he may have tried Husky at one point, hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Wouldn't it be terrible he prefers the Stihls, oh no, the world is gonna come to a end, your world, not mine,wink!