Stock vrs woods port

[timberwolf]

With a basic porting (A little widening of the ports, clean up and removing the base gasket) I agree with the 60%. Fixing the cat muffler alone is good for 30-35%, then gaining 20-25% on the motor would would certainly put it at about a 60% improvement.

To cut the times in half it can be done, but the limits will need to be pushed a bit more. Work on the carb, piston, and another 20 psi of compression and an 8 tooth gear. Then it would be cutting in half the time. Team that up with a good race chain and it should be down to under 3 seconds. Modified, but still be good cut fire wood.

Crossing the line to a stock appearing gas race saw it should be under 2 seconds in that sized hardwood wood. put a pipe and some fuel in it and I would not be surprised if it cut close to 1 second.

What kind of ash we talking about? I'v got some white ash that is near as hard and dense as red oak, and some other green or black swamp ash that about as easy to cut as poplar.

 

[Al Smith]

With 20 inch bars on both it would rival the cut speed of an 066.

Fred

Could be but stick it in a chunk of 24" oak then tell me where the bear shat in the buckwheat.

 

[Al Smith]

Now while Fred is out in the buckwheat looking for the bear,the subject.

I did one of my hack jobs on an older 2800 Poulan.Mild exhaust work,muffler modification,sharp chain.It most likely cut at nearly twice the speed as a newer one of the same make and size,if that means anything .

 

[berryman70]

What kind of ash we talking about? I'v got some white ash that is near as hard and dense as red oak, and some other green or black swamp ash that about as easy to cut as poplar.

The ash we have here in western ny is quite hard, what I'm cutting on now is fairly green, but next spring it'll be even harder

This take a almost new but broke in, stock Husqvarna e tech 359 with a new 72 lg chain & it makes 2 cuts in a 7x9 sawed ash in 9.6 seconds. What would be a good guesstament of the same saw, muffler modded & woods ported, same chain, same person running it, approx how much faster should it be?

Thanks everyone for the great info so far, ok a friend of mine let me use his e-tech to compare to my own 359 that I did a muffler mod & some light porting & polishing, I'm doing the same cuts in the high 6's low 7's same chain, but I can see room for improvement

 

[Cut4fun]

Nevermind Kevin, I forgot what your idea of a modded saw is. Woods ported means race saw right??

From me speaking to a few builders 35-40% was the most they could improve. I guess I will stick with work saws

Bawhahahahaha you are something else, woods ported to me means a good work saw, DUH! :newbie:

It all depends on who is doing the modding, I have ran some woods ported saws by others and they were no better then stock IMO.
Heck one time I ran a 660 that was modded by one guy and then ran a 460 modded by another guy right behind running the 660 and the 460 ate the 660 up. YES, both were work saws only!
So that is why I say chose your builders carefully.
35%-40% is power wise not cut times, that is a whole different story on user input etc like TW said.

 

[J.Walker]

Woods ported

With all this talk of the new 346xp, I'm going for a present model. Then I plan on having it woods ported. I think there will be bigger gains preformance wise over a new stock saw.
I'm using a woods ported 357xp and a stock 575xp for cutting firewood. I think that the 357 is one of the best saws I've ever owned. Maybe even better than my 262 which I'm not using now.

 

[Mr.]

Could be but stick it in a chunk of 24" oak then tell me where the bear shat in the buckwheat.

I'm assuming somewhere in Ohio.:jester:

Fred

 

[2000ssm6]

Bawhahahahaha you are something else, woods ported to me means a good work saw, DUH! :newbie:

It all depends on who is doing the modding, I have ran some woods ported saws by others and they were no better then stock IMO.
Heck one time I ran a 660 that was modded by one guy and then ran a 460 modded by another guy right behind running the 660 and the 460 ate the 660 up. YES, both were work saws only!
So that is why I say chose your builders carefully.
35%-40% is power wise not cut times, that is a whole different story on user input etc like TW said.

Say what ya want on here, makes no difference to me. I'm sure only you or a few others know what is REALLY under the hoods of your saws. I think there is more to your type of "woods ported" saw than you say. Work saws and stock apearing race saws look alike

I agree on selecting a good builder though

 

[Mr.]

You've been listening to too many people from Canada. If a saw is fast it is not necessarily a racesaw. That is a bunch of crybaby :censored:

Those guys had their shot to call b.s. but didn't have the juice. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but I still have a sense of fairplay.

Fred

 

[04ultra]

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Fred is my carbon copy on the way yet??........... Still waiting for the brown truck..




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[2000ssm6]

You've been listening to too many people from Canada. If a saw is fast it is not necessarily a racesaw. That is a bunch of crybaby :censored:

Those guys had their shot to call b.s. but didn't have the juice. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but I still have a sense of fairplay.

Fred

Kevin knows what I'm talking about.....

I was relating to what the other builders have told me. Sounds like they are on the right road, the more $ ya got the faster ya go.

 

[Cut4fun]

Kevin knows what I'm talking about.....

No I don't have a clue, please enlighten us all with your superior knowledge of woods ported saws.

I have 1 stock appearing gas 3ci saw and the rest are woods ported work saws and for gtg fun.
I have always been up front with everyone about having ONE stock appearing saw in the 3ci class.

3ci = yellow one

 

[2000ssm6]

No I don't have a clue, please enlighten us all with your superior knowledge of woods ported saws.

I have 1 stock appearing gas 3ci saw and the rest are woods ported work saws and for gtg fun.
I have always been up front with everyone about having ONE stock appearing saw in the 3ci class.

3ci = yellow one

Which one of those are a "work" saw?

I'm considering a work saw as being they can run longer than a 16" bar without toasting the top end...not cutting cookies.

 

[Cut4fun]

Blue and white are work saws and they make a good team with the 066, 357 too.

If you would pull some of that cash out of you moldy azz pockets you could run more then one bar too .

16"s are for play, 20"-32" is for the getter done times. each saw around here has at least 3 bars to chose from each .

Shame when a homeowner sawer has a better selection of bars and chains to work with then a youngin trying to make some money with his one bar saw, LMAO at U!

Kevin knows what I'm talking about..

No I don't have a clue, please enlighten us all with your superior knowledge of woods ported saws.

So answer the freaking question :newbie: what do I know that you are talking about?

Fred knows WTH he is talking about and you only have 2nd hand info from your pm friends.

Pretty funny stuff that just a few months ago 2000k was asking me questions about which poulan bar and chain to buy and running his little echo. He goes and gets him a 044 and 440 and all of a sudden he is a expert sawer with vast knowledge of stihls and woods ported saws. AT U :newbie: !

As always I have grown Bored with you and I am done wasting my valuable time on your young stupid azz. NUFF said on my part on this subject once again, so I will let you have your GIRLIE ways and let you have the last say and post again.....Have a good day Bawhahahahah!

 

[2000ssm6]

that's all ya got? weak......

Blue and white are work saws and they make a good team with the 066, 357 too.

If you would pull some of that cash out of you moldy azz pockets you could run more then one bar too .

16"s are for play, 20"-32" is for the getter done times. each saw around here has at least 3 bars to chose from each .

Shame when a homeowner sawer has a better selection of bars and chains to work with then a youngin trying to make some money with his one bar saw, LMAO at U!



So answer the freaking question :newbie: what do I know that you are talking about?

Fred knows WTH he is talking about and you only have 2nd hand info from your pm friends.

Pretty funny stuff that just a few months ago 2000k was asking me questions about which poulan bar and chain to buy and running his little echo. He goes and gets him a 044 and 440 and all of a sudden he is a expert sawer with vast knowledge of stihls and woods ported saws. AT U :newbie: !

As always I have grown Bored with you and I am done wasting my valuable time on your young stupid azz. NUFF said on my part on this subject once again, so I will let you have your GIRLIE ways and let you have the last say and post again.....Have a good day Bawhahahahah!

The 066 a work saw? LOL! Let me know how fast it burns up with the 7900's 32" on it. That 7900 seems your only saw that can pull a bar longer than 16". All of my saws can run their "rightfully" sized bars, nope none are running 16,000 rpm neither.

Moldy azz pockets? That's funny too. I spend my cash for saws that are made to work, no Pillsbury cookie cutters here. I'll leave the race pull ons in your stable.(For other's reading, I have nothing against race saws, just tell the truth when people ask what is under the hood)

PM-ing friends? I can put you in touch with them when you need some help, we all do ya know. Is that wrong? NO

I'm not sure why you are putting Fred's name in our battle but he definitely knows a real race saw.

I see you are still stuck in the past so let me kick your butt again with a quick history lesson. Remember April 06? You know the yard sale Dolmar/Makita, how long ago was that? Oh, OK, that was about the same time I came here. So see buddy you are not the race expert nor the saw expert so that BS is done.

You keep using saws for FUN and I will stick with making a little side money with mine

btw going to be doing a job this weekend, I will be sure to show ya some work saws.

 

[sawinredneck]

Just got back from the wood lot, made a couple of videos. I hope that they will dispell a few of these "ideas"

 

[2000ssm6]

For Andy....

Just got back from the wood lot, made a couple of videos. I hope that they will dispell a few of these "ideas"

Don't read me wrong I just think that cut's saws are more than wood's ported. When speaking to others, my idea of this type of mod is to increase power while still having longevity. The saw's life is not questioned much but a noticable amount of power is gained.

This also means that a 361 would not turn so many rpm's that it could not pull a 25" bar. Work saws are woods ported for most guys for less time in the cut = more money. Any saw that has been woods ported "should" pull whatever the longest bar the manufacture recommends without losing internal life.

Am I on the right track???

 

[Cut4fun]

The 066 a work saw? LOL! Let me know how fast it burns up with the 7900's 32" on it. That 7900 seems your only saw that can pull a bar longer than 16". All of my saws can run their "rightfully" sized bars, nope none are running 16,000 rpm neither.

You show your :newbie: arrogance once again.
I only wish the 066 had 10% of the work done to it, that the 7900 has had done to it. The 7900 is built as far as a woods saw could go and still use it for work all day, the 066 has barley been touched except for some porting dumb:censored: . There again you show you know nothing but how to talk BS.
The 066 runs circles around the 7900 with a 32" and NO the 066 can not run the 7900 bar on it :newbie: . Now I could get a spacer and run the 066 bar on the 7900.
16K wow thats a hell of a saw. The 13,500k rev-limiter in the 7900 brings all of that to a halt real quick.
When cutting wood the 066 runs 13.6K, but for gtg racing I can tune a little leaner, so you must know of some hellish saws.

Also there is 4 videos of the 066 running test of 3 different chains out there running 32".

Any saw that has been woods ported "should" pull whatever the longest bar the manufacture recommends without losing internal life.

The 084's could run a 84" bar, do we need a $800 bar in Ohio to prove your dumbazz point, no, heck i dont need the 32's, I could run a 20"-24" and double buck everything, but why do that when I got the power to make it in one cut and I CUT 4 FUN, BAWhahahahaha.

 

[2000ssm6]

You show your :newbie: arrogance once again.
I only wish the 066 had 10% of the work done to it, that the 7900 has had done to it. The 7900 is built as far as a woods saw could go and still use it for work all day, the 066 has barley been touched except for some porting dumb:censored: . There again you show you know nothing but how to talk BS.
The 066 runs circles around the 7900 with a 32" and NO the 066 can not run the 7900 bar on it :newbie: . Now I could get a spacer and run the 066 bar on the 7900.
16K wow thats a hell of a saw. The 13,500k rev-limiter in the 7900 brings all of that to a halt real quick.
When cutting wood the 066 runs 13.6K, but for gtg racing I can tune a little leaner, so you must know of some hellish saws.

Also there is 4 videos of the 066 running test of 3 different chains out there running 32".

Ooooo name calling eh? That hurts

I know the 7900 bar will not fit the 066, totally different mount. I was saying that if your 066 could run a 32" you would have to take if off the 7900. You get pizzed too easy, chill out! We are talking about saws..........

 

[2000ssm6]

The 084's could run a 84" bar, do we need a $800 bar in Ohio to prove your dumbazz point, no, heck i dont need the 32's, I could run a 20"-24" and double buck everything, but why do that when I got the power to make it in one cut and I CUT 4 FUN, BAWhahahahaha.

Your 084 can run a 84"???, yeah right. The jokes on you :newbie: