Critique this stump.

[Stonewoodiron]

Never heard of a dog tooth cut. That is a bore cut in my mind. Maybe different terminology from across the pond. A useful technique either way it’s referred to

 

[Cricket]

I have seen that before... it's kind of an old urban (rural?) Myth that a sloping back cut like that will prevent a tree from going backwards... obviously not supported by physics or geometry. Aside from this false concept, you can see that the other disadvantage is how difficult it is to match your cuts, hence the bore cut and the tearout in the center. If the OP was wondering if this was some new technique he should learn, the answer would definitely be NO.

Not having every done anything like that (I thought I'd left some weird stumps, but apparently I'm a rank amateur next to that guy) - it looks to me like it would... not sure how to describe it - kind of ride up that high back slop and kick? :>"

 

[Cricket]

Almost forgot - pic I ran across when looking up something else - even this stump laughs at that stump...

 

[Stock]

Almost forgot - pic I ran across when looking up something else - even this stump laughs at that stump...
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looks like a sorting stump...................................................................................................

 

[TheJollyLogger]

Not having every done anything like that (I thought I'd left some weird stumps, but apparently I'm a rank amateur next to that guy) - it looks to me like it would... not sure how to describe it - kind of ride up that high back slop and kick? :>"

It's the equivalent of chocking your trailer tire with a pencil...

 

[K-techcowboy]

So a friend bought some property and he’s having it cleared to build a house. He invited me over to cut up some tops for firewood. I am not a professional but what in the world is going on with this stump? Is this some new tree falling cut that I don’t know about? It looks to me like it has that steep leaning back cut which is totally wrong. Also looks like a bore cut in the center. I’m not seeing any hinge wood anywhere.what is going on here?????

I remember my first fell. Not really and it sure didn't look like that.Undercut what that is. Lol. Maybe it was aliens. They just could quite grasp the concept

 

[K-techcowboy]

Everybody has a plan but when it is not going well and plan "B" goes into effect, well **** happens.

Hell that looks like possibly plan c got put into effect after that is dynamite lol.

 

[K-techcowboy]

A forester I know told me about a time back when he was on a cutting crew. Some tree he'd dropped with bad form (it happens) left an ugly stump. His buddy walked by and said: "I'd cut that thing off and get rid of it before the boss sees it."

I can see that.

 

[K-techcowboy]

A lie makes it halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its shoes on.... seems to apply to bad practices and habits, too... one of the reasons I feel like sites like this are so important, and why bad practices should be commented on...

Amen im far from anything other than a firewood gatherer which i started this journey into the world of saws last fall by needing firewood for heat in my house. So I decided to start cleaning up the wooded part of my property and picking bigger broken top oaks to fell. I have probably dropped 15 or 20 total and have only had 2 give me fits but nothing unmanageable only cause I haven't bought any climbing gear to start learning that so I can clear the heavy side. Nothing a good use of wedges didn't take care of. For me there's alot of just plane common since that's needed and as you learn more you start to perfect the art. I actually fell an big dead locust for my neighbor as it was in between his new shop and his storage container. What was left of the main trunk was leaning towards his shop only 7 maybe 8 feet away so if it would of let loose it would of most certainly damage his new build. He asked me one day if I were willing to help and of course I was. So I hauled my ms460 with its 36in bar and my echo cs3510 over there and was able to make it about 10 feet up this dead tree to under cut and fell the peice he was worried most about at a roughly 45 degree angle towards the building and It hinged, popped and stuck the landing beautifully with room to spare. I made sure I was high enough that even if it were to go straight towards the building it still would of missed it. After that I slid down fired up the 460 and fell the rest of it right between the structures like I've bein doing it for years. He gave me all the wood so I could sell it for firewood which was our agreement then came and handed me a bill that I kept telling him no to lol. I really like cutting wood but like helping people more so the two together made for a grand time. I've bein on the hunt for a tree service job but there hard to come across in my area. But as a motorcycle technician by trade I decided to take a service tech job off at a local multi brand lawn equipment who carries stihl and echo. Maybe i will get a in with some tree guys and land a job that way. But yea sorry to kinda ramble there I just have a passion for it I didn't know was there. Here's the chunks off wood from that tree though. I still had the big pieces left to haul over lol. I know im not even close to but I felt like an arborist that day.

 

[Cricket]

looks like a sorting stump...........

looks like a sorting stump...................................................................................................

Can't believe I didn't notice that...

 

[arathol]

Almost forgot - pic I ran across when looking up something else - even this stump laughs at that stump...

Its Mr Oogie Boogie

 

[Woody912]

Not impressed. Anytime anyone makes an angled backcut it signals poor technique, an absence of understanding of best saw ops.

Also, the guy makes his felling cuts way too close to the ground, down on his knee at one point. Which means that if anything goes awry getting up off that knee to escape is slow and awkward. Always best to make felling cuts at a comfortable height and remove stump later (if necessary).

I cut trees one clutch cover height above the ground, don't want to leave 6-8 board feet in the woods if it is going to the sawmill. I also borecut so I can stand up and trip the back cut

 

[K-techcowboy]

I cut trees one clutch cover height above the ground, don't want to leave 6-8 board feet in the woods if it is going to the sawmill. I also borecut so I can stand up and trip the back cut

As the saying goes there's more than one way to skin a cat and still be just as safe as the other. You and I cut for mill wood and @old CB cuts for removal. Really it all boils down to taking your time, planning and understanding. That stump looks like a kid with cerebral palsy and adhd went at it like there second piece of ass. Lol

 

[Dudders]

Here's one I did earlier:



Did it this way to make a seat - it's a quiet corner of the farm, so nice place to sit and watch. Never used it though, probably never will - no time to sit around!

 

[Sierra_rider]

Not impressed. Anytime anyone makes an angled backcut it signals poor technique, an absence of understanding of best saw ops.

Also, the guy makes his felling cuts way too close to the ground, down on his knee at one point. Which means that if anything goes awry getting up off that knee to escape is slow and awkward. Always best to make felling cuts at a comfortable height and remove stump later (if necessary).

I make whatever cut makes the most operational sense, but I do tend towards lower cuts. As woody pointed out, some trees I'm cutting for board feet and will go as low as I can go. For removals, where it's just getting turned into firewood, I do what's comfortable. If I'm cutting a smaller tree, where room for wedges is an issue, I'll usually cut lower as well...trying to get as much room for driving wedges.

My 3rd cutting scenario is fire-weakened hazard trees. If I can, I cut high in order to be away from the stump as quickly as possible. However, the integrity of the wood often dictates where I cut.

I cut trees one clutch cover height above the ground, don't want to leave 6-8 board feet in the woods if it is going to the sawmill. I also borecut so I can stand up and trip the back cut

I'm generally the same way, except for the borecut. Mostly conifers that I'm worried about getting the most out of here, so I'm chasing with wedges in order to fall in lead. I do occasionally use borecuts on the aforementioned hazard trees if they have a heavy lean and I don't think my saw can keep ahead of a split.

 

[K-techcowboy]

Here's one I did earlier:

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Did it this way to make a seat - it's a quiet corner of the farm, so nice place to sit and watch. Never used it though, probably never will - no time to sit around!

I feel you there brother. Try to make time for that even just a couple minutes. Its very hard for me working 6 days a week and the one off day trying to accomplish chores and keep up on firewood to sell. But ever off day once a day I'll sit down next to my firepit and take a few deep breaths and just enjoy the silence or sounds of nature. Sometimes you can here other people using a saw and I like to try and guess what it might be and listen to bad technique and after about the time it takes to smoke a cigarette im back at it feeling positive and motivated. You'll tell a difference even on the days you can't take a break cause you'll start to be more relaxed and productive at work and patient with people. Idk I know it helps me and after my horrible divorce loosing my 2 babies and everything else I need as much help with my mindset as possible.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

So a friend bought some property and he’s having it cleared to build a house. He invited me over to cut up some tops for firewood. I am not a professional but what in the world is going on with this stump? Is this some new tree falling cut that I don’t know about? It looks to me like it has that steep leaning back cut which is totally wrong. Also looks like a bore cut in the center. I’m not seeing any hinge wood anywhere.what is going on here?????

A Darwin Award contender's stump ! That's what's going on there!

 

[Kodiak Kid]

I thought the final step is after you realize you botched the cut, you cut the stump to hide the evidence.

Standard procedure I always thought as well!

 

[SS396driver]

I drive by these weekly . Never seen anyone on the property but there are at least 40 stumps like this

 

[Kodiak Kid]

I drive by these weekly . Never seen anyone on the property but there are at least 40 stumps like this View attachment 988656

Awesome! Just absolutely Awesome!