Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[Kodiak Kid]

I have always been a proponent of using enough gun....these armchair quarterbacks on the internet brag about one shot kills on elk and larger game with a .243.

Is that possible? Yes. Is it prudent? IMO no.

My dad shot his 9-6 kodiak with a .338 win mag. Took three shots and still took 45 minutes to die because even with a broken shoulder, it made it down into a brushy thicket and all they could see was the outline of the bear balled up and couldn't determine head from tail. Talifson's jr guide told him that if you shoot the ball, it may piss it off enough to charge us.

Under perfect conditions it does not take much to kill game. But when do we have perfect conditions? Not often.

If I was hunting brown/kodiak/grizzly I would carry .300 mag minumum but preferable .338 or .375.

.338 or .375both excellent choices!
.300WM minimum? Wise policy!

 

[Kodiak Kid]

I have always been a proponent of using enough gun....these armchair quarterbacks on the internet brag about one shot kills on elk and larger game with a .243.

Is that possible? Yes. Is it prudent? IMO no.

My dad shot his 9-6 kodiak with a .338 win mag. Took three shots and still took 45 minutes to die because even with a broken shoulder, it made it down into a brushy thicket and all they could see was the outline of the bear balled up and couldn't determine head from tail. Talifson's jr guide told him that if you shoot the ball, it may piss it off enough to charge us.

Under perfect conditions it does not take much to kill game. But when do we have perfect conditions? Not often.

If I was hunting brown/kodiak/grizzly I would carry .300 mag minumum but preferable .338 or .375.

.338 or .375 excellent choice!

 

[Kodiak Kid]

I'll say this! Ive Never! Never in my life seen a bear charge in a zig zag pattern! NEVER! It was always Straight in or a big sweeping turn. Usually to the left.
Plenty of bear charging videos on you tube. If anyone comes across a video of one charging in a zig zag? Id love to see it!

Zig zag???

 

[MustangMike]

SR and KK, perhaps I'm the 3rd spoke in this discussion, but I think there are a few things we can all agree on, and I appreciate all the information from everyone. As I have stated before, what you choose to use is your own personal decision, but additional knowledge is always good.

1) I always prefaced using the largest caliber you can shoot well (which will vary by shooter). A larger caliber is no replacement for accuracy, but if someone shoots a large caliber well than there is no downside to using it.

2) Your example with the 458 reveals what my ballistic testing identified ... I would not shoot whitetail deer with some of the bullets they load at the factory. I have also read of African hunters being very disappointed with the penetration of 458 factory bullets, so your comment did not surprise me. A bear usually has a layer of fat that will often block a blood trail if the bullet does not exit.

I believe in using premium bullets, and both the Barnes X bullets that I like, and the Nosler Partitions that SR likes are premium bullets that will outperform most of the factory loadings. Both of these bullets will open on a lung shot, but also stay together if they strike heavy bone. A Black Bear does not have the bones of a Grizzly, but they are about 10X tougher than a Whitetail, so (IMO) having proper bullets is important. I know someone who shot a Black Bear (in the Adirondacks) and the bullet blew up on the front leg bone. Luckily another hunter he was with finished it off with a 338 Win Mag.

So, no matter where you hunt, or what you are hunting for, it is always good to be prepared! If I ever inadvertently get between a bear and her cubs, I would much rather be carrying a 338-06 than a 243.

I know people can fell a 5' diameter Oak with a 50 cc saw, but I would much rather have a 90 cc saw in that situation (see, we are on topic).

 

[mountainguyed67]

.338 or .375 excellent choice

You can say that again…

 

[Kodiak Kid]

SR and KK, perhaps I'm the 3rd spoke in this discussion, but I think there are a few things we can all agree on, and I appreciate all the information from everyone. As I have stated before, what you choose to use is your own personal decision, but additional knowledge is always good.

1) I always prefaced using the largest caliber you can shoot well (which will vary by shooter). A larger caliber is no replacement for accuracy, but if someone shoots a large caliber well than there is no downside to using it.

2) Your example with the 458 reveals what my ballistic testing identified ... I would not shoot whitetail deer with some of the bullets they load at the factory. I have also read of African hunters being very disappointed with the penetration of 458 factory bullets, so your comment did not surprise me. A bear usually has a layer of fat that will often block a blood trail if the bullet does not exit.

I believe in using premium bullets, and both the Barnes X bullets that I like, and the Nosler Partitions that SR likes are premium bullets that will outperform most of the factory loadings. Both of these bullets will open on a lung shot, but also stay together if they strike heavy bone. A Black Bear does not have the bones of a Grizzly, but they are about 10X tougher than a Whitetail, so (IMO) having proper bullets is important. I know someone who shot a Black Bear (in the Adirondacks) and the bullet blew up on the front leg bone. Luckily another hunter he was with finished it off with a 338 Win Mag.

So, no matter where you hunt, or what you are hunting for, it is always good to be prepared! If I ever inadvertently get between a bear and her cubs, I would much rather be carrying a 338-06 than a 243.

I know people can fell a 5' diameter Oak with a 50 cc saw, but I would much rather have a 90 cc saw in that situation (see, we are on topic).

Well said. Well said indeed.

Id like to note that the longer cased .458 Lott was developed to replace the underpowered .458 WM. When PH's in Africa started realizing the .458WM was to short of a case to hold the amount of powder required to push a 500gr to be an effective Dangerous Game Stopping cartridge. The Lott was introduced. Also, Any of the .416's ANY OF THEM. Will out perform the. 458WM hands down IMOP. I have never been a fan of the .458WM. Nor do I know anyone who hunts bear with one here on Kodiak.

 

[chipper1]

No I don't. If I did I would tease you with it, but you wood have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. Legend has it that they are the holy grail of the chainsaw world.

Yeah, I'd probably get all upset because I didn't have one if you teased me lol.
If I only had a buck for every time I heard that, then a yr later there's a new tool "to die for" .

That was at the the bottom of my todo list yesterday. I completed all but that but got rained out. It is at the top of the list in the morning. Not much of a first run, jusst cutting up a small pile of limbs on my limbwood cutting rack. I haven't even started it yet.

Look forward to hearing how it goes. Be safe bud.

 

[chipper1]

Good morning y'all. I have a bunch of hedge and locust stumps to split today. I can't even budge some of them.

Good afternoon Brett.
Any chance you know any of the Black family out your way.
Hope the splitting goes well for you.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Are any of you guy's familiar with Titan or Rugged Made log splitters?

 

[chipper1]

Are any of you guy's familiar with Titan or Rugged Made log splitters?

Heard if them many times as the are an aggressive advertiser.
Never used one of their products that I can remember.

 

[sean donato]

I didn’t know some were steel on the bottom, wouldn’t that tear up the asphalt? Here’s what I’ve been seeing.
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I won’t have a quick attach plate, I plan on building an adapter with plow quick attach on one side and loader arm holes on the other side.

Rubber wears too fast. We plowed 65 miles of road both ways, some roads needed 4 passes, then we had developments to plow as well. Rubber just doesn't last. Heck the ar400/500 steel cut edges wouldn't make it a full plow season. They were reversible so you could flip them over. We ran 3/4" cut edges. The rubber cut edges were originally for runways so you didn't take out the landing lights.

 

[Squareground3691]

Are any of you guy's familiar with Titan or Rugged Made log splitters?

Iron & Oak

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Heard if them many times as the are an aggressive advertiser.
Never used one of their products that I can remember.

Witch one? Titan or Rugged Made? Isn't there'a another big splitter on the market called wood wolf or something along those lines?

 

[Squareground3691]

Witch one? Titan or Rugged Made? Isn't there'a another big splitter on the market called wood wolf or something along those lines?

https://wolferidgemfg.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy4e8qtOB_QIVF8TICh0M5gzpEAAYASAAEgK6XPD_BwE

 

[Kodiak Kid]

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That's nice no doubt, but I'm looking for block push style with a Hydraulic lift. The guy at Eastonmade is probably the flakiest sales rep I've ever had to deal with! To bad fir him!

 

[Kodiak Kid]

https://wolferidgemfg.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy4e8qtOB_QIVF8TICh0M5gzpEAAYASAAEgK6XPD_BwE

Thankyou! Good on ya Square OG! (Original Grinder)

 

[Squareground3691]

Thankyou! Good on ya Square OG! (Original Grinder)

Those are top notch professional splitters ,

 

[sean donato]

Timber wolf is another name in the game. I've worked on several of their smaller processors. Seemed like decent machines.

 

[mountainguyed67]

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@sean donato You can see the cutting edge in these pictures. I thought rubber was common, I’m gonna have to look at how the local plow trucks do it.

 

[SS396driver]

Wife is in Buffalo stepson had his wisdom teeth removed surgically. She called this morning and said the stupid neighbor must have hit something with the excavator they are using . Rocked some stuff off the shelf and a picture fell. Didn’t think anything of it and then I hear on the news the Buffalo area was rocked by a 3.8 earthquake.