MechanicMatt
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Uncle Mike, do you really think China gives a crap about the environment?
Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)
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I'm not naive Matt, my question is why the US allows them to sell them here.
I think Steve provided the answer. They don't have stores here.
I can argue both sides of this one: First, they can-not reproduce new saws because of patent protection, so let's talk about reproducing parts for old saws like MS 440, 460 and 660.That's one of the biggest reasons I despise anything in the knock-off clone realm. The OEMs are the ones footing the bill for engineering, R&D, regulatory compliance efforts, etc... I couldn't care less if their performance matches the OEMs for not.
The clone producers can go piss off.
If the OEM companies did not rape you on the price, you would not bother with second rate AM parts, but if you need a tank holder, carb and coil to fix an old saw and the OEM parts are $180, $160, and $150 respectively, you are either going to find cheaper parts or not fix that saw. There is NO REASON parts for 20 + 30 year old saws should cost so much!
Folks willing to do the work to bring a good saw back to life should not get raped on the price of parts. That is why I will not feel guilty about using AM parts to restore a saw (or complete saw kits to learn about building and porting saws).
I own several new and old OEM saws, I own several fully AM saws, and I own several that are a combination of both.
One of my favorite saws is a 440/460 ported hybrid that pulls a 28" bar buried in hardwood like a gangbuster. It has an AM case and main bearings, tank holder and plastics. The crank is from a 12mm 044, it has an 046-D jug, and a Husky single ring piston (to allow for wider ports, and it is lighter weight than a OEM 460 piston which reduces weight and vibrations). The carb is an OEM 70 jet, but the intake and impulse line are AM. The saw is an animal and I love it!
TM is a very knowledgeable and talented saw builder, but I think his production rate has slowed dramatically due to health issues.
He built some of the strongest running 066/660s I have ever seen with Husky pistons that have wider skirts and allow for wider ports.
The methods he uses, and degree of testing he does to find optimal port timing #s is truly impressive.
And yes, he was very heavy into cigarettes and Mountain Dew until his second heart attack. I guess he did not take the first one seriously.
To a large degree, your body is what you put in it.
He built some of the strongest running 066/660s I have ever seen with Husky pistons that have wider skirts and allow for wider ports.
The methods he uses, and degree of testing he does to find optimal port timing #s is truly impressive.
And yes, he was very heavy into cigarettes and Mountain Dew until his second heart attack. I guess he did not take the first one seriously.
To a large degree, your body is what you put in it.
xraydaniel
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It’s sad bro but this is the sequelae of bad policy and even worse politicians going back 40 years. Now we are in a death spiral of sticky inflation, fiat debasement, weak labor force, low productivity, a lower birth rate, and a divided nation.That's one of the biggest reasons I despise anything in the knock-off clone realm. The OEMs are the ones footing the bill for engineering, R&D, regulatory compliance efforts, etc... I couldn't care less if their performance matches the OEMs for not.
The clone producers can go piss off.
This can only be fixed if prime working aged men from 25-55 re-enter the workforce (a new theory which has palpable changes for society), manufacturing is brought back, innovation, and productivity increase. But this can really only happen if we go through a massive cleansing here in the US. We’re talking another Great Depression. Interestingly enough the workforce issues are why immigration has been pushed by both sides for quite sometime now. The bourgeoisie need their labor class!
I don’t have a crystal ball but I do have a strong sense that the US will go through some birth pangs and come out the other side with a promising future. I post this with love for my country and love for it’s citizens. Not in any way to be political or religious
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I don't have that much time on my hands.Try it. Once you set the drags the angles don't matter much either. My chain looked like a train wreck
I'll take your word for it. 
This storm is supposed to bring a little more than the last one.
501Maico
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Heat close to the taper and a little tension on the puller works well for those extra tight flywheels. The first time I tried this was on a vertical Tecumseh on my old Toro mower. I had WAY too much tension on the puller and the bottle on the Bernzomatic was empty so I carefully used my oxy-acetylene torch. I wasn't expecting it to launch so fast and nearly got hit in the face with the big 3-arm puller. The puller and flywheel touched down in the grass around 3 feet away from the mower.
Heck that's how it is around here with 8" on the ground. None of these idiots would make it in 2 feet.
I largely agree, but it's no different in automotive or any other industry. Lots of vehicles amd equioment would be sitting if it wasn't for aftermarket parts. Can't say I've been a big fan of the clone saws I've worked on, but save a fair few stihl and husqy saws with aftermarket parts.That's one of the biggest reasons I despise anything in the knock-off clone realm. The OEMs are the ones footing the bill for engineering, R&D, regulatory compliance efforts, etc... I couldn't care less if their performance matches the OEMs for not.
The clone producers can go piss off.
Think it's more about the hinky trade deals any offs/pay outs they give to certain people in power. I'm sure there's a lot more that we don't see as well going on.
OH_Varmntr
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The Chinese absolutely do not care about patent protections.
Other than that, spot on post
That was my thoughts also about the fuel getting mixed inside the crankcase.
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Gotta see pictures before I even think on bidding. Show me a video of the saw in the wood pouring waste? I start with an opening bid!Let the bidding begin!
I wantta see that 660 modified with a buried 42” bar you spoke about, pouring waste.Gotta see pictures before I even think on bidding. Show me a video of the saw in the wood pouring waste? I start with an opening bid!
WoodAbuser
aka WoodchuckAbuser
Bunch of power hungry boys around here this morning. 
I'll be waitin on the pix too. 
I'll be waitin on the pix too. I find it easier to roll big logs onto my 3pth horizontal splitter that lays on the ground than to muscle them under a vertical splitter. I did buy a horizontal/vertical splitter just for splitting big rounds. I went back to using my old splitter.Yea , nice to have a horizontal/ vertical splitter to .
WoodAbuser
aka WoodchuckAbuser
Sounds like u found what works best for u. That's all any of us can do. At ease, carry on, smoke em if u got em.
Before I built my splitter I borrowed a friend's horrizontal splitter. Was somewhere around 15 ton. Thing sat so low to the ground you could roll anything on it. Man did my back hurt being hunched over all the time using it. When I built mine, a log lift and comfortable working height were mandatory.
This is a back saver I use a lot for big stuff, it’s amazing how big of a log or round you can move around, Woodchuck Duel Peavey 47”
