KenJax Tree
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I'm gonna use up some Dominator i have, but nothing that might sit for a little bit.....i've heard stories about rusty bottom ends. Not sure if its true but it was on the internet so it probably is.[emoji1]
Amsoil- 100:1?
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Moparmyway
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Andre, are you feeling ok? Should I call an ambulance?
Trx250r180
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If none of you but Andy have actually tried it ,you have no say in this discussion .
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Ummmm......that's not rust!!!rusty bottom ends
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I myself have not seen rust in a bottom end the only thing i have seen is evaporated bearing cages on some saws.
KenJax Tree
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I read about the rusty bottom from Dominator on a MX forum, and more than 1 person had a problem.
If its real IDK.
If its real IDK.
I know of two different people that seized a hand held blower and a Lawn Boy mower on Saber @ 100:1. I would use it at 50:1 or more, but never at 100:1.
Trx250r180
Saw polisher
I do not think we need oils made for racing engines in saws ,If you have a hopped up dirt bike that gets torn down often ,sure run the best stuff for racing ,in a tool that cuts firewood a good mix with stabilizers and anti rust inhibitors may be something to look into ???? Ie Sabre instead of Dominator .
Here's the question I have. Why is Amsoil so pushy about running their ratios so lean? Is this a chest thumping thing IE "see how good our oil is, you can use half of what other companies call for" or is it something else? I see them getting negative press all over the net due to failures at these lean ratios. In my mind, why not promote superior protection at levels equal to the other guys rather than all of the hype over running lean.
FWIW, I had an Evinrude outboard (yes, yes, I know not the same as a saw) that called for 100:1. The original owner actually did burn it up at that rate and it was rebuild under warranty. I bought it lightly used from him and mixed it at 50:1 like the rest of my OB's and never had a problem. After a couple of years OMC went back to recommending 50:1 for all of their premix motors.
FWIW, I had an Evinrude outboard (yes, yes, I know not the same as a saw) that called for 100:1. The original owner actually did burn it up at that rate and it was rebuild under warranty. I bought it lightly used from him and mixed it at 50:1 like the rest of my OB's and never had a problem. After a couple of years OMC went back to recommending 50:1 for all of their premix motors.
Moparmyway
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I ran a fleet of yamaha outboards that called for 100:1. Anecdotally they seemed to make full power longer when ran at a traditional 50:1. Granted I am talking about more hours in a few seasons than the average guy puts in in several lifetimes. I never lost an engine to 100:1 mix.
Pretty much sums up my thought process. Have you ever seen the Lucas engine oil additives that make it more tacky? Usually on a clear display box at Autozone with some gears and a crank handle so you can see it clinging better. Maybe this has something similar - additives that help it cling better so you can use less?
If I could find the motivation to contact Saber and get in touch with a technician/engineer I would, but I'd probably just find myself talking to a sales rep and hearing the marketing spiel.
I've already got plenty of Lucas oil to use up, which I'm happy with, but when I get around to using this bottle I'll mix it like any other 2-stroke oil at 40:1. Maybe I'll save it for ported saws instead of mixing at 32:1. The money I'd spend on a new piston is going to outweigh the money I'd save going to 100:1 if it dry seizes.
I worked at a Suzuki/OMC Marine dealership in college. The best test subject for exteme use of outboards were our barge customers. But that's way off topic here and those were all oil injected. But there was a wide range of how long motors lasted on barges with Merc being on the low end (1/2 a season) and Suzuki on the high end (3-4 seasons).
Give them a call and see if you can get through marketing to someone who actually knows oil. We could get this thread up to 350 pages in a couple of months then LOL
FWIW, these are the same stories I heard when I first started using Amsoil 38 years ago. And yes, it was at 100-1.
I had not run my Mac 1-10 since 1992, it was just put under the bench and not run until this spring. The tank was drained and refilled fresh and the old girl runs great. It had cut all my wood for ten years and had nothing but 100-1 mix.
I still use Sabre but at 50-1 because some of my 2 cycles do not have ball bearings on the crankshaft.
My experiences have been good, YRMV. [emoji3]
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I had not run my Mac 1-10 since 1992, it was just put under the bench and not run until this spring. The tank was drained and refilled fresh and the old girl runs great. It had cut all my wood for ten years and had nothing but 100-1 mix.
I still use Sabre but at 50-1 because some of my 2 cycles do not have ball bearings on the crankshaft.
My experiences have been good, YRMV. [emoji3]
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For the guys using 100:1 oil ratios, what are the advantages over traditional 50:1 or premium oils at even richer ratios?
Definitive Dave
wanna-be saw racer, saw hoarder, parts whore
I used one quart of Saber at 100:1 about three years ago before I became a full on Stihl-nerd. We used it in Echo and Stihl blowers, trimmers and sidewalk edgers, maybe in a small echo chainsaw and a Stihl MS360 Pro, but don't recall for sure. We did lose a relatively new BR550 blower and the dealer told us it was good oil but that 50:1 was the minimum regardless of how good the oil was. I called the Amsoil dealer back and told him what happened and that I wanted to buy a few cases, but would mix at 50:1. He never called me back with a price.
Did the blower die from 100:1, was the oil poisonous to engines, is a BR550 junk? Hell, I dunno know but makes me want to avoid it.
Dave
Did the blower die from 100:1, was the oil poisonous to engines, is a BR550 junk? Hell, I dunno know but makes me want to avoid it.
Dave
Trx250r180
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I will be trying some out at 100:2.5 and reporting back some day .
