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I spent my LD in good ole Washington, carry the extended healthcare over the border ($18 family/ 2days) and enjoy the Cheap Booze, Smokes, Gas, Food and even bar oil (thanks to headsup thread.) As long as your working, healthcare is covered for free 100%, go to walk in clinic get a prescription for what ales ya, and sometimes pay for medication.... I payed 6 cents once (depending on benefit plan) mine was through Steelworkers of America Union, go figure!
 
The wait times issue is a valid problem, I will admit to that. But you have to remember the wait times are only for non-life threatening things. Knee/hip replacements things like that. If there is something critical it gets done fast. Also, I have found living in a small town I can usually get in to see a family doc the same day I try to make an appointment. There can be emergency room wait times also, but thats because of dumb people going to the er with a runny nose and there is the same problem with that in the US
 
What about boob jobs and stomach bypasses, etc?

Do they have to go to the U.S.?

Dental braces, cosmetic stuff?
 
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Divide the country in half. Any one in the northern half goes to Canada and enjoys their free health care. Any one in the southern half goes to Mexico and gets and enjoys their free health care system. That way the citizens of the USA can enjoy all of the benefits that we share with them. Perhaps then people would be less likely to think that any of these comparisons are accurate or even realistic.

How many Canadians are there?
 
all stemmed from doctors that are afraid they will not be able to charge astronomical rates for even the simplest of office calls and procedures. Heaven forbid a Doctor would have to live on less than a cool 2.5mil a year huh?

Eric,
The MD might not have to make 2.5mm if his Malpractice Insurance wasn't 2.6mm and his education didn't cost him $500k in medical school payments and 11 years of his life. Pointing fingers at the medical field isn't fair without looking into Tort Reform and the ridiculous lawsuits filed by the attorneys.
there is plenty of scum in that pond and I say it starts with the ambulance chasers who to add nothing to the quality of health care.

Come to think of it when do attorneys add any value to anything ??

Here's to hoping there are more Dr's here posting then attorneys.:rock:
 
The wait times issue is a valid problem, I will admit to that. But you have to remember the wait times are only for non-life threatening things. Knee/hip replacements things like that. If there is something critical it gets done fast. Also, I have found living in a small town I can usually get in to see a family doc the same day I try to make an appointment. There can be emergency room wait times also, but thats because of dumb people going to the er with a runny nose and there is the same problem with that in the US

i had to say something to add to it yes the er is full of non er related issues in the usa as well as people calling 911 just cause they stubbed there big toe

and they tie up the ems system cause they think they can get seen faster

im glad im taking a year break from ems burn out was getting to me
 
Divide the country in half. Any one in the northern half goes to Canada and enjoys their free health care. Any one in the southern half goes to Mexico and gets and enjoys their free health care system. That way the citizens of the USA can enjoy all of the benefits that we share with them. Perhaps then people would be less likely to think that any of these comparisons are accurate or even realistic.

How many Canadians are there?

Not exactly sure what you are trying to say. Comparisons would be difficult, because the United States is the <i>only</i> industrialized nation in the world that does not have universal health care.

If there are enough Canadians (not even in the top 10 in terms of GDP) to cover their own health care costs, then why would you think there are too many Americans (#1 in GDP) to cover their own costs?

I'm not following your logic.
 
Not exactly sure what you are trying to say. Comparisons would be difficult, because the United States is the <i>only</i> industrialized nation in the world that does not have universal health care.

If there are enough Canadians (not even in the top 10 in terms of GDP) to cover their own health care costs, then why would you think there are too many Americans (#1 in GDP) to cover their own costs?

I'm not following your logic.

There are not enough Canadians to cover their own health care cost in terms of health care that well insured US citizens are used to. The sand oil exports that were mentioned earlier are what saved Canada current health care set up as they were about to face an enormous cost increase in meds, technology, etc.. Even recruiting health care professionals was becoming an issue as the salaries in Canada were no longer going to cover the cost of US education that they were trying to recruit(cancer/specialties).

The main issue of cost for US citizens that does not translate to other countries is the legal, marketing and insurance costs. The actual day to day costs would be very similar in many aspects if lawyers and sales people where removed from the system and people were referred to as patients instead of customers again.
 
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Divide the country in half. Any one in the northern half goes to Canada and enjoys their free health care. Any one in the southern half goes to Mexico and gets and enjoys their free health care system. That way the citizens of the USA can enjoy all of the benefits that we share with them. Perhaps then people would be less likely to think that any of these comparisons are accurate or even realistic.

How many Canadians are there?

We have approx 32 million here in Canada 1/10 of the American population.
However I think Canada has more saws than the U.S. and Scandanavia combined, 40% Stihls, 55% Huskies, 5% other saws. Those are gubment statistics. It's amazing how we as North Americans know so little about geography.
Gypo

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We have approx 32 million here in Canada 1/10 of the American population.
However I think Canada has more saws than the U.S. and Scandanavia combined, 40% Stihls, 55% Huskies, 5% other saws. Those are gubment statistics.
Gypo

Perhaps the solution is to give the approximately 30 million uninsured US citizens chainsaws and send them to Canada. That would be cheaper for us and can do nothing but help Canada, correct?

"5% other saws", nobody will own up to owning an Echo chainsaw anymore.
 
There are not enough Canadians to cover their own health care cost in terms of health care that well insured US citizens are used to.

Nothing wrong with the quality of health care in Canada...I hope you aren't suggesting the US is getting more, or even the same bang for their buck.

The main issue of cost for US citizens that does not translate to other countries is the legal, marketing and insurance costs. The actual day to day costs would be very similar in many aspects if lawyers and sales people where removed from the system and people were referred to as patients instead of customers again.

That's the problem...turn it over to the market and the price becomes what the market will bear, and everybody has to get their cut. That's why it is going to be impossible to turn it around, there is too much money to be made. You're right about the potential doctor shortage as well...for the same reason. There's too much money to be made.
 
Perhaps the solution is to give the approximately 30 million uninsured US citizens chainsaws and send them to Canada. That would be cheaper for us and can do nothing but help Canada, correct?

"5% other saws", nobody will own up to owning an Echo chainsaw anymore.

Just don't send them north with any of those "other" saws.
 
I want 3 big pink ones, "spritzed" around the top........

Just want to bring attention away from that deareboy.........

We need to let that one drop......

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Nothing wrong with the quality of health care in Canada...I hope you aren't suggesting the US is getting more, or even the same bang for their buck.

The average uninsured person is certainly getting less and the average poorly insured which is most of the barely insured is getting little to no value compared to most socialized systems. The well insured those with full covered dental, eye, physical, mental, and long term improvement can receive much better and faster care across the board than most socialized systems. These are the people that have to be sold on socializing health care. It is a hard sell, no wait in a room full of medicare and well fare recipients is a great experience. Sitting in a room full of sick people for hours is a really good way to get sick and it is depressing. Private diagnostic rooms with experienced doctors who have the time to listen and diagnose accurately. The well insured who are smart enough to use their insurance wisely do not want to go back to what it was before they earned their coverage. They already pay a price above and beyond the rest for better coverage and that price includes paying part of the treatment for those with less insurance.

That's the problem...turn it over to the market and the price becomes what the market will bear, and everybody has to get their cut. That's why it is going to be impossible to turn it around, there is too much money to be made. You're right about the potential doctor shortage as well...for the same reason. There's too much money to be made.

The market value of health care is certainly different to different people at different times. Privatized health insurance ruined health care in our country. It turned all aspects of health care into a stock exchanged and allowed the userists to profit from an aspect of human nature that should not be profit driven. This is where reform has to start in order to be effective. Obviously it will not.


Chainsaws are great. Everyone should have one.
 
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Privatized health insurance didnt do anything to our healthcare, regulation of private heathcare ruined our heathcare system, if i could buy only the coverage i wanted and not what the gov. devided i needed then insurance would be drasticly cheaper.
 
The well insured those with full covered dental, eye, physical, mental, and long term improvement can receive much better and faster care across the board than most socialized systems. These are the people that have to be sold on socializing health care.

The good news is that there aren't too many of them.

Chainsaws are great. Everyone should have one.

But they are like potato chips...you can't have just one.
 
Fish,

Boobjobs must be paid for out of pocket. Orthodontics too. Anything cosmetic.

Well I guess there are exceptions to that. A burn victim doesn't pay for plastic surgery; someone who has had a mastectomy gets a free boob job.
 
The real big question is "Postivac????"

Medicare covers that one here, or at least tries to.........

I saw one in action on "Debbie duz dishes"......... but that was in the eighties......
 
Privatized health insurance didnt do anything to our healthcare, regulation of private heathcare ruined our heathcare system, if i could buy only the coverage i wanted and not what the gov. devided i needed then insurance would be drasticly cheaper.



Exactly!

You really have to hate how they always blame private business for problems they created. It happens all the time.

This attitude that DC can fix anything has got to stop.

Big problem with healthcare is lawyers getting rich suing doctors. A fix for this started with SCOTUS ruling that judges can throw out frivolous lawsuits. In the long run I can see this making it safer to mod chainsaws. (That keeps it somewhat chainsaw related.:cheers:


Mr. HE:cool:
 

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