Big old Stihl, what have I done?
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sawbones
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Having owned about 25 of these 1106 or 1109 gear drives now it it easy to spot the differences and know what fits what.
Many little changes but many parts will interchange.
One thing that the 1106 series can say is that it IS THE LONGEST running production saw EVER. 1958 to current being produced in aftermarket.
A few group hug shots from the past.
dce1843
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regardless if its a 090 or a 070, you still SUCK. What flea market were you at? Im gonna have to go there.
discounthunter
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nice find . dont find many(if any) of that series floating down south here.
fearofpavement
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Peachtree Peddlers (by the Sam's Club in McDonough). He had an MS250 with a bunch of JB weld on it too. Didn't inquire on that one.
fearofpavement
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StihlyinEly
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There's a shock.
Regarless whether it was an 090 or its gutless smaller brother (right, gutless!), for the price you paid YOU SUCK SOOOOOOOO BADDDDD!!!! :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:
harrygrey382
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sawbones
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Always had a pretty good supply of large mount so never needed to alter one. Nothing a drill press and grinder cant handle though.
A clean 070 might bring 5-7 hun but yours needs some tlc.
Running condition and appearance dictates the value. Parts value alone is 2-3 hun non running
With an aftermarket top end and carby it dont take much to make a runner.
With a few parts upgrade you can also build a 90. 66mm slug and jug drop right in.
The smaller clutch is good up to a 36" bar but past that you need the 6 shoe.
fearofpavement
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SawTroll
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That was the ol' SAE bto hp, that Stihl used in some of the marketing - and aren't comparable to the hp currently in use.
In "normal" hp, the numbers were 6.5 and 8.5 to 9.0 for the 090.
sawbones
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The only thing we have to go by is what Stihl claimed at the time they were selling new.
If those standards have changed to this day then you can write Stihl a letter and let them know they are a bunch of misleading boneheads. :hmm3grin2orange:
1966 137cc rated 12HP 106cc rated 9HP.
When the 090 was released in 1969 it claimed 13HP due to the new design cylinder and larger carb.
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sawbones
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And if that aint enough power maybe you could soup it a bit. 
fearofpavement
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Well after a lot of effort I have the chain looking somewhat normal. Not sure what kind of screwball sharpened it prior but it was a pretty pathetic grinder job. Now I am about to throw some chips. Too bad all I have is a bunch of 14" pine rounds. At any rate I should be able to get an idea of what I have here....
I'll report back. (gotta fit some work in here and there too, lol)
I'll report back. (gotta fit some work in here and there too, lol)
harrygrey382
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Glad to here she's ready to go. It'll make a mess of those 14" pine logs, but don't expect too much - I should think it'll be pretty underwhelming. But at least you'll be able to check your sharpening in time for big stuff...
Stihl didn't do anything wrong, they were just using popular units of power at the time of printing. However as Sawtroll and me have said these are not our common units of power used today. The units I referred to - 8.5 for 090 and 6.5 for 070 - come out of the Stihl service manual for each saw. On newer saws where you can compare those figures with ones tested by independent, respected companies they come out very close to Stihl's figures. Where did you get the 9HP for the 090 Sawtroll?
Stihl didn't do anything wrong, they were just using popular units of power at the time of printing. However as Sawtroll and me have said these are not our common units of power used today. The units I referred to - 8.5 for 090 and 6.5 for 070 - come out of the Stihl service manual for each saw. On newer saws where you can compare those figures with ones tested by independent, respected companies they come out very close to Stihl's figures. Where did you get the 9HP for the 090 Sawtroll?
Naked Arborist
Hack from way back.
Horsy power, so what...
TQ is what makes thing move and the bigger the stuff who cares about HP... I'll take my 280 HP 400+ FPT stump pulling mountain moving SBC any day over the nasty punched 500+HP 302 DZ motor in the ol race car. I dought the DZ motor makes much more than 250 FPT over much of the RPM band. I must admit it is a lot of fun to let the clutch fly at 8Gs and pullin' gears at 10-11. As young man I liked high reving stuff but there is no replacement for displacement! TQ RULES...
TQ is what makes thing move and the bigger the stuff who cares about HP... I'll take my 280 HP 400+ FPT stump pulling mountain moving SBC any day over the nasty punched 500+HP 302 DZ motor in the ol race car. I dought the DZ motor makes much more than 250 FPT over much of the RPM band. I must admit it is a lot of fun to let the clutch fly at 8Gs and pullin' gears at 10-11. As young man I liked high reving stuff but there is no replacement for displacement! TQ RULES...
fearofpavement
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Torque, hp, whatever.... But this saw has a lot of something. It made me smile. Not happy with the chain yet. It cut well at first but dulled quickly. Could dog the thing and it just kept chewing. I am going to try to sharpen the chain again and give it another try. Auto oiler works, manual oiler works.
The only issues I have noted with the saw thus far are it needs a gas cap as the existing one is chipped and leaks and there is a little plastic clip for the choke rod that is broken off. (I think). The choke works as is and the saw starts in one or two pulls cold and one pull hot.
Idle may need some tweaking but the H screw seems about right as it four strokes when lifting in the cut.
I wasn't able to test the saw to the extent I would like as the logs I am cutting are only 16 to 20 inches long. I did find some that were about 20" in diameter but just not the same as bucking a trunk.
I think that once I try the 25" bar (I measured it) once more, I am going to order a new chain for the 41" bar and then drill holes to make it fit the saw. I saw some for sale that are double drilled right from the factory so apparently it works that way. Good chance to try out my new oversize drill press...
Smiles so far.
The only issues I have noted with the saw thus far are it needs a gas cap as the existing one is chipped and leaks and there is a little plastic clip for the choke rod that is broken off. (I think). The choke works as is and the saw starts in one or two pulls cold and one pull hot.
Idle may need some tweaking but the H screw seems about right as it four strokes when lifting in the cut.
I wasn't able to test the saw to the extent I would like as the logs I am cutting are only 16 to 20 inches long. I did find some that were about 20" in diameter but just not the same as bucking a trunk.
I think that once I try the 25" bar (I measured it) once more, I am going to order a new chain for the 41" bar and then drill holes to make it fit the saw. I saw some for sale that are double drilled right from the factory so apparently it works that way. Good chance to try out my new oversize drill press...
Smiles so far.
fearofpavement
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Spent $51 bucks on a chain. Next project to mod the 3002 bar to fit. Ordered a fuel cap off the web. Now, gotta find something BIG to cut...
Saw Dr.
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They are out there, you just have to be patient. My running1961 Lightning bow saw (with good top cover) popped up on CL one day. Too bad for you cats trying to get him to ship.... I even got the original owners manual and warranty card (!)
I have a line on a couple other local 1106 saws, but nothing has come home yet.
ChainsawmanXX
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I had to get mine in the midwest. All these saws make me wanna go out and cut with mine.. need a bigger bar first! This 24" doesnt do it!
