Originally posted by wiley_p
Maybe the mistake that we often make is looking at the ground position only as a stepping stone to the grand world of climbing instead of focusing on the fact that a skilled groundman is every bit as valuable as a climber.
boneheads at every level
Note that the starting orientation is ambiguous, so it's hard to tell what's which!Here's a picture I posted a while back showing the three second bowline.
http://www.arboristsite.com/attach/2065.jpg
Indeed this & similar quick-tying methods ensure that the rabbit's goingIf you teach this method, I think it's easier to learn. Instead of making the loop,
worrying about which way to make it then putting the tail through, you simply make a
"T" and twist your wrist, to form the hole and send the rabbit through.
his rabbit would run around the tree the wrong way. From What I understand
this creates a bowline variation (Dutch or cowboy bowline) that is strength
compromised.
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strength isn't affected but security. i was taught (and have read);
that on shipping docks, when using the bowline; if the end (or toggle)
rubs briskly against something, it can invert the knot, and the load
falls, many times killing workers below.
i make the bowline with the slipknot method; using that method,
it is a lot easier to see how the knot could invert and release.
groundies learn a half hitch, girth hitch, truckers
hitch, clove hitch, right angle, square knot, bowline, bowline on a bight, butterfly knot,
cow hitch, timber hitch, becketts bend (sheet bend) and prussic. I won't give them a
raise until they learn these knots. The shortest time has been two weeks, the longest is
13 months and counting .
Climbers need to know these knots plus swabish, distel, VT, bowline with a yosemite tie
off, zeppElin [Rosendahl's] bend, running bowline (why is this more difficult than a reqular bowline?),
figure 8, running 8 and double fishermans knot.
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i'd extend JP's just make a list of half hitches, to an olde,
secure standard a round turn and 2 half hitches? The strength would depend on what
you were hitching to, any uneasiness about security
Originally posted by OutOnaLimb
Oh, and for the record, I have made my groundies do push ups when they f*cked something up. And to prove that I lead by example, I will do push ups for them if I **** somthing up. (Which is rare to never)
Kenn
Originally posted by Mike Maas
Dude, you have serious issuses.
And if some groundman actually did "get down and give you 20" instead of walking off the job, just at the mere suggestion, he too has issues.
Seek help.
Originally posted by MasterBlaster
I agree, but I didn't learn it until I was 30!!!
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