Ethanol Gas again.
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8433jeff
Aftermarket connoisseur
+1 on the acetone. Methanol has been used forever to "dry" gas out, and it works. I wouldn't use it in my mixed gas. Ethanol is a joke, at least the corn based stuff, and having to constantly check fuel blends is also. Thats the problem with raising the amount of ethanol in the blend, imagine how much will they be off in E20.
mga
wandering
this guy says he's got a way to remove the ethanol. for small quantities, i think it might be a good idea:
source:
Removing Ethanol from Gasoline - Fuel Economy, Hypermiling, EcoModding News and Forum - EcoModder.com
source:
Removing Ethanol from Gasoline - Fuel Economy, Hypermiling, EcoModding News and Forum - EcoModder.com
I thought I was the only one with that problem, I fixed a head gasket over the summer for a buddy and it popped again last night during snow removal duty, I plan on micro milling the head and using yamabond with a new gasket this time. I think I'll also go with locktite on the head bolts and scuff cut the bottoms so they stay properly torqued.
J.W Younger
ass kissing impaired
Ethanol is ever bit if not more hydroscopic as methanol.Either one will mix with gasoline but both mix even better with water and all 3 are heavier than gas.Average weight per gallon of pump gas is about 7#.Water is 8?You can google specific gravity of methanol/ethanol.I belive they are very near water weight.Now, where do u think that ends up in a stationary tank.
Water/diesel separator on the Dodge works well.
Anyone ever try one of these for separating water from gasoline for small 4 cycles?
Baldwin Filter BF7965 In-Line Fuel/Water Separator with Drain
Anyone ever try one of these for separating water from gasoline for small 4 cycles?
Baldwin Filter BF7965 In-Line Fuel/Water Separator with Drain
8433jeff
Aftermarket connoisseur
I would never try to use methanol in a stationary tank. All stationary fuel tanks should have a way to drain water from them. Its used most often on the side of the road, to "melt" a frozen fuel (gas) line. And yes, if you do not keep gas in a airtight, a closed container that is, you will very quickly start having water in the gas troubles, especially in the op's region with all the snow melt and rain lately.
jimbojango
ArboristSite Guru
Try living in Illinois. My business is lawn care. I can clean and rebuild a carb in about 45 min, because I have to do it so often. I have to sit at lunch and listen to these rich farmers talk about how great ethanol is, knowing if it was made from coal they would be #####en the loudest. Anybody know why a farmer's hat bill has such a tight curve on it? So their hat won't get knocked off when they stick their head in the mailbox lookin for that govt. check.
That hat bill thing was LOW!!!!!!!!
I'm a farmer and we actually JOKE about that in these parts and believe me... my hat is curved and the checks aren't near as big as you'd think. 
Just because the pump does not advertise the ethanol anymore, it does not mean it is not there. Thanks to Sebelius, stations are not required to post the content anymore.
As for ethanol, it sucks, you have to remember, it is alcohol and alcohol attracts water. There are going to be a lot more problems with this before it gets any better. Thank you Federal Govt. for another positive contribution.
As for ethanol, it sucks, you have to remember, it is alcohol and alcohol attracts water. There are going to be a lot more problems with this before it gets any better. Thank you Federal Govt. for another positive contribution.
HeRoze
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ooOOoo
Ethanol free stations US map... Click the pic for the link... (I hope)
Ethanol free stations US map... Click the pic for the link... (I hope)
Wow, There must be a lot of them in arkysaw. I will find one for sure. Even if i have to drive a little to get it.ooOOoo
Ethanol free stations US map... Click the pic for the link... (I hope)
Dalmatian90
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Might be easy, but anytime someone starts talking about "pails" of gasoline I can guarantee it's not safe.
Lucky, probably. Safe, no.
1grnlwn
ArboristSite Operative
That hat bill thing was LOW!!!!!!!!
Bigger than mine!
Blazin
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Yeah the water borne gas took it's toll on my splitter last year. I did get it back running after cleaning the whole fuel system and a carb kit, since then I've been using the marine stabil in all my small engine equipment and no problems...yet.
Alan Smith
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HWY 90, Bronston, KY; ethanol-free MARATHON 87 89 93 my dad has Marathon gas he said they told him there was no more plain gas. I Hate ethanol.
Lake Cumberland Outdoors
HWY 90, Bronston, KY; ethanol-free MARATHON 87 89 93 my dad has Marathon gas he said they told him there was no more plain gas. I Hate ethanol.
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ehgauss
ArboristSite Operative
Ethanol again
I guess I'm lucky or something. I've been using whatever comes out of the pump in outboards, chain saws, push mowers, riders, and a '52 Case VA since they started with the 10% ethanol. I always use Stabil, except in the things that run a lot (car and pickup). The gas in one outboard tank got cloudy after sitting for two years about five years ago, and I had water in the carb of a log splitter that had sat out from December one year until October the next without being run. Drained the carb, refilled, and it ran like new. I also had a fuel line get spongy on a Stihl 041 Farm Boss after it got to be about 20 years old. But I don't disagree that corn should be used as food, not fuel.
I guess I'm lucky or something. I've been using whatever comes out of the pump in outboards, chain saws, push mowers, riders, and a '52 Case VA since they started with the 10% ethanol. I always use Stabil, except in the things that run a lot (car and pickup). The gas in one outboard tank got cloudy after sitting for two years about five years ago, and I had water in the carb of a log splitter that had sat out from December one year until October the next without being run. Drained the carb, refilled, and it ran like new. I also had a fuel line get spongy on a Stihl 041 Farm Boss after it got to be about 20 years old. But I don't disagree that corn should be used as food, not fuel.
J.W Younger
ass kissing impaired
All things considered,think I'll just run avgas in my saws.Its consistant,stores better,saws run cooler on it in summer with no iceing problems in winter and it smells better.
EPA approves more ethanol in fuel for cars
January 22, 2011 - AP
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly two-thirds of cars on the road could have more corn-based ethanol in their fuel tanks under an Environmental Protection Agency decision Friday.
The agency said that 15 percent ethanol blended with gasoline is safe for cars and light-duty trucks manufactured between 2001 and 2006, expanding an October decision that the higher blend is safe for cars built since 2007.The maximum gasoline blend has been 10 percent ethanol.
The fuel is popular in farm country because most ethanol comes from corn and other grains. It faces strong opposition, however, from the auto industry, environmentalists, cattle ranchers, food companies and others. Those groups say that using corn to make ethanol makes animal feed more expensive, raises prices at the grocery store and tears up the land. There have already been several lawsuits filed against the EPA — including one filed by automakers, boat manufacturers and outdoor power equipment manufacturers — since the agency decided to allow the higher blends for newer cars in October.
Critics said the change could be frustrating for drivers of older cars who will have to figure out which service station pump to use. And they argue that many retailers will opt not to sell the higher blend because of the expense of adding new pumps and signs.
"It seems like corn growers and the ethanol industry are the only real winners here," said Craig Cox of the Environmental Working Group, an advocacy group that opposes use of the fuel.
The Obama administration has remained supportive of the renewable fuel, and the EPA has said a congressional mandate for increased ethanol use can't be achieved without allowing higher percentage blends. Congress, driven by a broad coalition of members from farm states, has required refiners to blend 36 billion gallons of biofuels, mostly ethanol, into auto fuel by 2022.
Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said after the decision that expanding the use of ethanol in gasoline "gives consumers the option of purchasing domestically produced renewable transportation fuels" and supporting American farmers and ranchers.
Members of the ethanol industry say that use of the fuel can help reduce the country's dependence on foreign oil while boosting a domestic industry and creating jobs. The industry group Growth Energy petitioned the EPA to raise the blend in March 2009. Tom Buis, president of the group, said Friday there are still steps to go to get more ethanol on the market but he is optimistic.
"Ultimately we will get this marketplace open because it's a win for America, a win for consumers and a win for our economy," he said.
The ethanol industry estimates that almost six out of 10 cars on the road would be able to use ethanol under the new standards. EPA estimates that almost 190 million cars on the road could use the 15 percent ethanol by 2014.
The EPA has said there won't be a decision any time soon on boosting the ethanol concentration for cars and light trucks manufactured before 2001 - or for motorcycles, heavy-duty vehicles or non-road engines - because there is not sufficient testing to support such an approval.
The EPA has delayed decisions on using 15 percent ethanol several times as the agency and the Energy Department have tested the ethanol-blended gasoline to make sure it is safe. The agency has approved the blend only for newer cars and trucks because they have more durable emissions systems.
Ethanol burns hotter than gasoline, causing catalytic converters, which help clean engine emissions, to break down faster.
Automakers continued to criticize the EPA on the decision Friday.
"Any new fuel's success depends on how it's accepted by consumers, and automakers still have concerns on behalf of our customers," said a statement from the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents General Motors, Toyota, Ford, Chrysler and other automakers. "We believe more research is needed to determine how increased ethanol levels could affect vehicles that were designed and warranted for (10 percent ethanol)."
January 22, 2011 - AP
Save |
WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly two-thirds of cars on the road could have more corn-based ethanol in their fuel tanks under an Environmental Protection Agency decision Friday.
The agency said that 15 percent ethanol blended with gasoline is safe for cars and light-duty trucks manufactured between 2001 and 2006, expanding an October decision that the higher blend is safe for cars built since 2007.The maximum gasoline blend has been 10 percent ethanol.
The fuel is popular in farm country because most ethanol comes from corn and other grains. It faces strong opposition, however, from the auto industry, environmentalists, cattle ranchers, food companies and others. Those groups say that using corn to make ethanol makes animal feed more expensive, raises prices at the grocery store and tears up the land. There have already been several lawsuits filed against the EPA — including one filed by automakers, boat manufacturers and outdoor power equipment manufacturers — since the agency decided to allow the higher blends for newer cars in October.
Critics said the change could be frustrating for drivers of older cars who will have to figure out which service station pump to use. And they argue that many retailers will opt not to sell the higher blend because of the expense of adding new pumps and signs.
"It seems like corn growers and the ethanol industry are the only real winners here," said Craig Cox of the Environmental Working Group, an advocacy group that opposes use of the fuel.
The Obama administration has remained supportive of the renewable fuel, and the EPA has said a congressional mandate for increased ethanol use can't be achieved without allowing higher percentage blends. Congress, driven by a broad coalition of members from farm states, has required refiners to blend 36 billion gallons of biofuels, mostly ethanol, into auto fuel by 2022.
Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said after the decision that expanding the use of ethanol in gasoline "gives consumers the option of purchasing domestically produced renewable transportation fuels" and supporting American farmers and ranchers.
Members of the ethanol industry say that use of the fuel can help reduce the country's dependence on foreign oil while boosting a domestic industry and creating jobs. The industry group Growth Energy petitioned the EPA to raise the blend in March 2009. Tom Buis, president of the group, said Friday there are still steps to go to get more ethanol on the market but he is optimistic.
"Ultimately we will get this marketplace open because it's a win for America, a win for consumers and a win for our economy," he said.
The ethanol industry estimates that almost six out of 10 cars on the road would be able to use ethanol under the new standards. EPA estimates that almost 190 million cars on the road could use the 15 percent ethanol by 2014.
The EPA has said there won't be a decision any time soon on boosting the ethanol concentration for cars and light trucks manufactured before 2001 - or for motorcycles, heavy-duty vehicles or non-road engines - because there is not sufficient testing to support such an approval.
The EPA has delayed decisions on using 15 percent ethanol several times as the agency and the Energy Department have tested the ethanol-blended gasoline to make sure it is safe. The agency has approved the blend only for newer cars and trucks because they have more durable emissions systems.
Ethanol burns hotter than gasoline, causing catalytic converters, which help clean engine emissions, to break down faster.
Automakers continued to criticize the EPA on the decision Friday.
"Any new fuel's success depends on how it's accepted by consumers, and automakers still have concerns on behalf of our customers," said a statement from the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents General Motors, Toyota, Ford, Chrysler and other automakers. "We believe more research is needed to determine how increased ethanol levels could affect vehicles that were designed and warranted for (10 percent ethanol)."
