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[Griffdog1]

Guys the issue with this one is that it was a very specific saw and the seller contacted me directly by PM. They sent me through a number of pictures of the saw, they spoke to me on the phone and their story made some sense in terms of why they had a NOS Dolmar from 18 years ago. They also mentioned their business in a number of correspondences. It seemed that they had a specialist saw to sell and so had looked for a specialist place to sell it (that would occur if you types Dolmar 6800i into your search engine, arboristsite would come up pretty quickly).

I have their name, phone number, bank account details and business name and details. It is actually more likely that I have success by pursuing the business where there are a number of protections and also implication for him than just pursuing him. Australia also has a good online fraud system which I am pursuing and as it is reasonable to assume that if there was actually a saw it was stolen from a shop and has been stashed for the time since - you have more grounds for police intervention than if it was just a second hand saw

It is a learning experience but the nature of the saw was such that you would take more risks than was really prudent. This means that there is no point getting emotional about it. However if old mate thinks that this was easy money then that would be a mistake because you actually have a lot of options open to you to both consume time, money and impact on his business that are all perfectly legal and legitimate. Most thieves are too proud to admit that it is a net loss for them on a transaction but by consistently applying pressure over a long period of time on multiple fronts you can at least ensure that it is reinforced that scamming people is maybe not an effective way to lead your life.

 

[HarleyT]

That is one issue worth considering, when a site allows selling.
Are the site owners in any way responsible for policing the transactions, or in any way culpable if some one "questionable" is allowed to put up more listings?

Or, if transaction disputes are allowed on the open forum, who is to ensure that the members involved are telling the truth?
Usually here, the one that first brings the conflict gets the initial wave of support, and the lynch mob usually follows this posse.
All more reason to pay the extra 10-15% and use E-Bay.....

But the fraudulent seller wouldn't use E-Bay, would he?

So going through all of the motions to try and get your funds back, wouldn'y paying the extra %15 be a lot easier?

 

[HarleyT]

Wake em up with a tree felled on there house. I'm shure some of the crazy brothers from south of the equator would do that to a jewfokker.

Almost afraid to "Google" that ....
Might be a hate crime just gazing upon it......

 

[bikemike]

Almost afraid to "Google" that ....
Might be a hate crime just gazing upon it......

Not hate crime. Just returning the favor lol. Restocking fee

 

[67L36Driver]

I've never understood why there isn't a minimum post count required before allowing a new member to place an item for sale.

Yes!

 

[PULLINmyPOULAN]

That sucks Hopefully he gets kicked in the nuts a few hundred times or somethin.

 

[92utownxh]

I've been on other forums (motorcycles, vehicles) where there is a minimum post count before selling. It definitely weeds out the scams. They really should do that here.

I hope things work out for you in the end.

 

[Kel71]

One thing you can do before you buy is have the guy take the item to a local shop and let them look at it.
Then call the shop and ask if the saw was in good shape. It still will not help if the guy does not ship it to you.
Just thought of this - call the shop before the guy gets there and have them get the tag number on the guys vehicle.

 

[svk]

Good luck with your recovery and I'm sorry to hear of a deal gone bad. Always leery of noobs on here selling stuff!

I've only had one purchase deal on AS where the seller was a bit shady and luckily I paid through Paypal and did the actual purchase option (versus F+F) as I was a bit leery from the start being that he contacted me with parts to sell for one of my older saws. The guy strung me along for two months with excuses and then tried to blame me when I asked for a refund. It just took a PP warning and I had a refund from him quickly.

 

[Big_Wood]

I've never understood why there isn't a minimum post count required before allowing a new member to place an item for sale.

many sites have moderation approval to get in there traders. many also have it so only the seller can post keeping the thread clear of BS (which would benefit this site more then any other i know of lol). it's a hassle to anyone but the serious buyers will go through the hassle to get what they want. i once joined a gun site cause a friend referred me to an ad with some hard to find rifle mags in their trader. took creating an introduction message to everyone on the forum board, 4 days for moderator approval and then the only reason i got them in the end was cause he marked the ad SPF but then the buyer never paid. i swear, here you have a few who just browse the trader and post with no intentions of buying everyday all day. not the end of the world but sure a pain in the ass when used to using other site classified sections.

 

[Griffdog1]

The situation here is the guy provided me with a legitimate business name, bank details and things like phone etc. I am pursuing this through the online fraud registry in Australia - they will refer to the relevant bodies. I will also be taking action against his business through Australian administrative tribunal which is the statutory body that deals with this sort of thing. It ends up being a pretty drawn out process on his behalf and will likely have significant implications for his business (he used the business name in his dealings with me and his user name here was the business). I just wonder what he was thinking was going to happen. I take responsibility for my part in terms of possible warning signs but I have a lot of time and resource to throw at this and will just keep pursuing options for as long as it takes - whether I get anything back has kind of become irrelevant now it will be the hardest 600 bucks this bloke ever makes.

 

[svk]

I just wonder what he was thinking was going to happen.

I think these dudes know how much effort it takes to recover funds and figure everyone they scam will just call it a loss and walk away.