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The EPA says particles 10 micrometers in diameter present health problems, so they are coming to the rescue. Farmers and ranchers face what some are calling an impossible hurdle. They must adjust control of particulate matter to levels two times more stringent than current requirements. Several Senators have sent the head of the EPA, Lisa Jackson, a letter while Chuck Grassly (R-Iowa) asked her to use "commonsense" with regard to the new rules on dust. Considering that corn must be dry when harvested there is nothing farmers will be able to do to control dust. In fact, the nation's heartland will sweat bullets when driving down gravel roads or when livestock kicks up dust. Then there's the weather. Fines that come with non-compliance will make our farmers and ranchers less competitive and cost jobs.

At least they can breathe easier as they tip toe around their property.


Can you believe what the EPA is trying to do?????




A year or two ago, I would have said 'yea right' Not anymore. It is sad to say that we have a huge bullseye right on us, and the EPA is taking charge and making it their mission to put every farmer out of buisness.

We have so many regulations to go through just to carry on day to day opperations, and keep record of everything. We try to comply the best we can on our farm, but the minuit you learn one set of rules those ass holes go and change the rules on you.

What the liberals (face it, that IS the EPA) are going to do to this country is drive ag out of the country with all their "animal welfare" legislation, and "polution" legislation. So, what is going to happen to ag? Go to Mexico, South America, China ect... Guess what, those people dont even care about human rights, much less animal rights or even polution. In the end, they are going to be THE ONES responsible for poluting the earth.

Michigan is really going at us. We are now the second largest industry in our state. The auto industry used to be number 1, but not so much anymore. Right now the Medical field is number 1 and Ag is number 2. All the libs are seeing dollar signs in their eyes. The biggest problem is we are a land based industry, it is pretty hard for us to take 2000 acres and 10,000 pigs to another state. Were as the auto industry got smart and when the taxxes went up, they left.

I am glad I am a farmer and can be self sufficient. Because you better bet your butt that once this country crashes thanks to liberals me and my family will be all right, and when the city trash comes onto my property I will show no mercy on them. Call it survival of the fittest.

I could go on for hours and hours about what we are going through right now.
 
It is a sad state of affairs, we have let politics become extremists (left or right). Vote them all out, R or D! Encourage the moderates to run (if we can find any anymore... or very least identify them).

:censored: the EPA, if they come after wood heat, grrrr... I'll fire up my chainsaw and :chainsaw: their :censored:.

Tes

Yeah, a lot of us right wing extremists telling the rest of the world how to live. Give me a break! It's you Commie bastards at the bottom of all of this.
 
If dust raised by a combine, a tractor running a rotovator, or 20 head of cattle running to the grain trough is "Pollution", wood burners gotta be next or close to it.

If y'all notice, no mention was made of cars on dusty backroads, heavy equipment on construction sites, or a kid sliding into second base.

It's a simple matter of targeting the regulation towards those "Outside" of voter dense areas, demonizing thier practices as "Harmfull", and taxing and regulating them into oblivion.
It sells to the Liberals, the radical green movement idiots, and the ignorant city folks who think food comes from a plastic container.

Fighting back is not easy. The EPA,USDA,and the rest have the resources of the taxpayers, and the accused are guilty until proven otherwise.
It ain't just city hall, it's EVERY city hall, and liberal Federal judges legislating from the Bench, against what is comparitively a handfull of Farmers.
Ag is much bigger than the woodburning equipment lobby however.


The regulations themselves are politically created with little to no sound scientific basis, absolutely zero consideration of cost effective mitigation, with the input from radical anti american global socialists such as Van jones, Caroyn Browner, and others deeply entrenched in the three letter agencys, politically funded studys, and many credentialed radical environmentalists.
And absoluteley ZERO consideration for the impact of the regulation on Agriculture or those that rely on Ag for thier eating hobby.

Enforcement and audits are also interesting. Most times the auditors have next to zero experience with Agriculture other than what they have been spoon fed by activist liberal professors, and as a rule, work off a check sheet of broad terminology as to wether or not compliance is practiced.

The Emphasis is on record keeping, and ease to which the auditors can access the specific documentation concerning compliance.
If a Farmer is as skilled as a Burocrats Secretary and talented at multimedia presentations with power point, they generally fare pretty well.
Auditors don't like getting thier shoes dirty, most urban citiots on Fed payroll welfare don't. The cost of the administrative needs to comply is ridiculous, as is the expectation presented. It is NOT the fault of the zombie auditors however, as they are simply doing what they are told, and as required.


Here's a few links I dug up, on just a few of the assaults on agriculture.
There are hundreds of them that are in contention however, and more each week as the Radicals exercise thier newly granted dictatorial authority through the clea air and water act.

Dust/source point pollution from sprayers.

http://www.michiganfarmbureau.com/farmnews/transform.php?xml=20090315/cover.xml

http://www.michiganfarmbureau.com/farmnews/transform.php?xml=20080430/deq.xml

Milk as deadly as oil
http://www.michiganfarmbureau.com/farmnews/transform.php?xml=20100615/cover.xml

If the Radical Globalists have the capacity to ban a farmer from plowing his field, you know darn well your stove is gonna be an easy target.

Citiot socialists have been conditioned to think as a herd, and most seem to think folks who burn wood for heat, are as backwards and ignorant as stupid Farmers that pollute the earth carelessly with spilled milk and stirred dust.

Heck, we often get the ignorant "Burning wood is pollution" snivelers right here in our own wood burning forum.

I might have gone political. Apologies.
It's kinda hard to seperate this sorta ecofascism from the politics of the current admin and the ignorant fools that support it.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
 
Remember the old five minutes from the field, if you have any hired hands, porta pottie scam the EPA tried to push in the late seventies or early eighties? Farmers raised so much hell that one never did fly.
 
Remember the old five minutes from the field, if you have any hired hands, porta pottie scam the EPA tried to push in the late seventies or early eighties? Farmers raised so much hell that one never did fly.

Yeah, painfully. The USDA and the FDA picked it up,added a manditory hand washing station with grey water capture, and now Charge 95 bucks an hour from the time they leave Goofopolis 3 hours away, till the time thier gucci shoes get back, to verify we have them in the field, and other nonsense.

Ours are on trailers now to stay within the 5Min. or 1/4 mile, but we have always provided them. I'm sure handicap access and a Bday will be required in the next couple of years. What is hillarious is the "Don't #### in the field, use the facilities, and wash your hands properly" video or approved speech that must be given, signed by the workers, and documented.

Didja hear about the "Trucks used to transport produce may not be used for anything but hauling produce" requirement? Yep, documentation of every load is to be kept as well.
That's right. Us Rich Farmers can afford a truck for specific loads.
Can't tell ya how handy that is. One for everything.
Screw 'em. it's a 5 point Gig on the audit.

What is aggravating is the requirments change, and they don't inform you of anything. You're supposed to PAY to attend an annual refresher and update seminar, that is always in some Big city miles away, and limited dates are offered. Of course it's "Voluntary"...like paying taxes.
No sign off means no buyers.

I wonder if the USDA and ecofascists try to bankrupt the foreign produce guys that flood our markets with slave labor harvested and grown garbage.
NAH!!! Not enough of 'em to check more than 10% at the ports.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
 
If you want government to take over farming the first thing you need to do is put the little farms out of business. The big farm's will gobble up all the land and make it easier for a government take over. A dozen huge farms can be made to look like the evil land barons who are responsible for the high cost of goods....sound familiar? Then the Government can be the savior by taking it over and federalizing it. You think we are screwed now just wait until the government controls your food supply. They will give it all to poor countries like Kenya......it's only fair.....


Yep.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
 
I honestly thought the porta pottie thing fizzled. Sorry I brought up traumatizing thoughts. The porta potties in my fields are the first downed tree I find.
 
The more of this stuff that comes out, the more I understand the people I used to think were over the edge radical types. My next door neighbor, a VN vet with a Purple Heart, was one of the most anti-government people I knew, he died a couple years back. The things he preached about that sounded so far fetched are becoming more beleivable each day.

I ain't outta guns, ammo, or diesel fuel yet. I should be learning how to press bio diesel though, and perhaps something to run the gas tractors on, maybe ethanol - purely for machinery mind ya!

If/when SHTF, there'll be a market for Medicinal Beverages, sure as cold in January.
 
Yeah, a lot of us right wing extremists telling the rest of the world how to live. Give me a break! It's you Commie bastards at the bottom of all of this.

I aint no commie! I believe in small and limited government and not an all powerful central government, so strike one on your comment. We have extremists on either end of the political spectrum, if you're a blind fool that cannot see that, then I am sorry for you.

The EPA has a place, but not in its current form and NOT with its current agenda. The EPA's goal is to deal a deathblow to small farmers, do some research on where the majority of the food comes from in the US today, and when small farmers crops and livestock are being sold, who the major food processors are and what rules and restrictions are placed on them.

As I said, we need moderates and moderates are NOT liberals, or conservatives.

Tes
 
Sounds to me like this will be another source of revenue for the gubbermint. The EPA(ie FEDGOV) tells farmers that they can only create "X" amount of dust, and anymore than the prescribed maximum set forth will be illegal. However, if said farmers do by chance exceed the legal amount, which ofcourse they will because the target range will be set impossibly low, they will just pay a fine. Now with our communist mentored president in the whitehouse, one of Marx's basic tenents is just a pen stroke away, ie gubbermint control of agriculture. I mean total control, not just control in the sense of more burdensome regulations. Strange times we live in right now.
 
Wood burning is our only source of heat, and I'm waiting for the EPA to try to regulate that one day.
 
Wood burning is our only source of heat, and I'm waiting for the EPA to try to regulate that one day.

They're working on it. Dont believe me? Go buy a new woodstove.

I callem "al gore woodstoves"

notice I didnt capitalize his name.
 
Already did. Put all of you and your messiah on a small leaky boat and point it towards the nearest Communist nation. You guys can go to a place like Cuba and turn it into your own personal utopia if it isn't already.

And you sir, may want to go to the Sudan, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, or some other third world country where there ain't no guvmint to hinder your "I want to do anything that I want no matter who it affects and don't wanna pay no stinkin' taxes." mentality. Right?

Like I said, your whining isn't going to get you much of anywhere.

Some of the farmers around here started complaining about similar regulations.
A logger said he couldn't sympathsize with them. They did nothing to support the mills and logging back in the late 1980s when that was attacked.

Thought I also saw on another thread, how we shouldn't trust buying any produce from Collyfonia as the folks who worked in the fields there didn't use outhouses or wash their hands.

Now, according to this thread, that same practice is followed in the "heartland"? My goodness. I think I'll trust that Collyfonia produce much more. It is closer and fresher. The cows are happier.

Like I said, you need to quit yer whining and start educating. Most of the population wouldn't know the difference between a goat and a cow anymore.
That's just the way it is. Better figure something PRODUCTIVE out.

EPA stoves? No biggie. I have one. I like the way it doesn't smoke out the neighborhood. But that's just ol' selfish me. Ever had an asthma attack?
 
EPA stoves? No biggie. I have one. I like the way it doesn't smoke out the neighborhood. But that's just ol' selfish me. Ever had an asthma attack?

You must be one of those guys who want big brother to control every aspect of your life.

My woodstove isnt new. My dad built it out of quarter inch steel. much heavier duty than the junk you will buy today. its not epa approved but as long as im warm, let the smoke fly!!!!!!! take that mr. gore!!!!:clap:
 
It's 12 miles of choking dusty dirt road to my gate. Maybe the EPA won't come to my place and fine me for plowing a dry field, they won't want to get their pretty little clean car dirty. Unless they have 4x4, they probably won't make it anyway.
After EPA gets their hands on farmers, OSHA won't be far behind, and that will effectively shut farming down for good.
 
What about my alergies?

I spend a month in the spring and a couple of weeks in the fall sneezing my head off and blowing snot everywhere. When is the government going to step in and help me. Something needs to be done about all these plants that put pollen in the air and make me suffer. We need tighter restrictions on plants that are allowed to grow, if they put out allergens they should be banned and we need a special government commission put together to go pull weeds from the forest, grasslands, and peoples yards. Of course once all the government goons pull all the bad weeds out of my yard they have to reseed some proper non-allergenic grass to keep the dust particles within tolerance or my lawn mower will stir up too much dust to comply with the new regulations.

And what about people who are allergic to bee stings? These deadly animal need to be eradicated. Just think how much money the government could save on their health care takeover if no one had to go to the emergency room for a bee sting. And this would help with my allergies too as getting rid of all the bees carrying pollen around would mean less blooms and less to be allergic to.

But seriously guys, this is the firewood forum, this thread needs to be in the political forum.
 
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