Manswers proves Jomoco wrong

[treevet]

Yesterday I was reading somewhere that 33 people have died according to the AMA by woodchipper accidents since 1993. That is a little over 2 and a half (no joke intended) per year.

Was just watching Manswers and they said 500 people were killed LAST YEAR alone by elephants. Also said you don't want to get in the fetal position and play dead like the bear thing. Elephants get pessed off they stay pessed. Where do you go what do you do? They can run 35 mph and hiding behind most anything ain't gonna work.

Anyway since dangerous is a relative term, I don't think chippers are that dangerous. They are so scary that proper procedure is usually observed.
There was a expose following this on "how boobs can hypnotize men" but this wasn't relative so I didn't watch that part

But Jomoco wants new regulation and I think the elephant situation is more pressing and we don't need any more regs. in the chipper issue.

 

[Hddnis]

You should have payed attention to the boob thing. I'll bet they entangle far more men every year than elephants and chippers combined and doubled.


Mr. HE

 

[treeseer]

Yesterday I was reading somewhere that 33 people have died according to the AMA by woodchipper accidents since 1993. That is a little over 2 and a half (no joke intended) per year.

Either your source is not so good, or TCIA is making up a lot of those reports every month.

An expose' on...

I tend to respect both elephants and chippers--I've fed them both on the job and they both are dangerous. Re underregulated safety, check out Ringling Brothers! :jawdrop:

 

[treevet]

You should have payed attention to the boob thing. I'll bet they entangle far more men every year than elephants and chippers combined and doubled.


Mr. HE

You may be right....I better go back and research a little further

 

[treevet]

Either your source is not so good, or TCIA is making up a lot of those reports every month.

An expose' on...

I tend to respect both elephants and chippers--I've fed them both on the job and they both are dangerous. Re underregulated safety, check out Ringling Brothers! :jawdrop:

I found another source that said 13 deaths in the last 11 years. Droves of injuries tho. Also found this little gem....

http://www.pollystaffle.com/classics/woodchippermassacre.shtml

 

[cowtipper]

Fatal Cases Involving Mobile Wood Chippers

During 1992--2002, a total of 31 occupational injury deaths were attributable to mobile chippers.

All decedents were male; mean age at death was 35 years (range: <20--60 years). Of these deaths, 12 (39%) occurred among persons aged 25--34 years.

Seventeen (55%) occurred in the agriculture, forestry, and fishing industry, and seven (23%) occurred in the manufacturing industry.

Twenty-one (68%) were the result of being caught or compressed by the chipper, and nine (29%) were the result of being struck by the machine or a machine part.

Thirteen (42%) of the fatally injured workers were groundskeepers, and five (16%) were machine operators, assemblers, and inspectors.

The remaining were classified as managers, forest conservation specialists, farm workers, carpenters, cutters/welders, miscellaneous machine operators, and construction and nonconstruction laborers. Approximately one third of the events occurred in July or August.

Of 26 cases among persons for whom ethnicity was known, seven (27%) were among Hispanics. Societal costs of all chipper-related fatalities (primary source code 3231) for 1992--2001 are estimated at $28.5 million in 2003 dollars (CDC, unpublished data, 2004§).

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5348a2.htm

 

[Rookie1]

Hmm Ive heard sharp sticks can be dangerous too. Too bad common sense isnt so common anymore.

 

[jgaliley]

Take a look at any of Dr. John Ball's articles on injuries in the arboriculture industry (several have been published in Arborist News and Tree Care Industry). His research shows that, on average, someone goes through a chipper up to once every two weeks in the U.S.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I suppose we have to put our scissors in a sheath before we turn to walk away too? Running has been out for a long time now.

I could not find the OSHA logger, soooo....

 

[treevet]

Very technologically sound "emissions" control system

 

[jomoco]

Ah yes, my fellow arborists illustrating the true depths of their concern for their groundies safety?

Joking about the gruesome demise of our fellow treeworkers to the point of actually trying to trivialize this growing problem in our industry?

jomoco

 

[treesquirrel]

Back in the late 80's I worked for Georgia Pacific at a plant here in Georgia.

We had a big chipper for all the log refuse which could chip up too a 40 inch log. It had a 96 inch disc. It was driven by a 1000 horsepower electric motor and the cutter disc was so heavy it had to be started by two hydraulic motors until at 100 RPM's then the electric kicked in.

Anyway, when I first went to work there I noticed this old guy who had a job driving a specially engineered sweeping machine which he could drive with no legs. I assumed he was a vet that had his legs blown off in veitnam or something. WRONG!

He was working in the infeed area clearing debris from in the way of the chipper and signaled the operator to bump the flywheel to see if it was free. He fell onto the feed rollers and got fed into the chipper. The operator shut it down as the guy hung onto some hand rails for dear life. How the guy managed to survive is beyond me but there he was, no legs, driving the floor sweeper.

 

[treesquirrel]

Ah yes, my fellow arborists illustrating the true depths of their concern for their groundies safety?

Joking about the gruesome demise of our fellow treeworkers to the point of actually trying to trivialize this growing problem in our industry?

jomoco

Agreed. This is a sickening subject. I think the answer is in proper operator training. You cannot build a wood chipper that does not have the risk of injury or death.

 

[outofmytree]

This subject is a pet peeve of mine. IMO no amount of "safety" devices will ever substitute for good training, good site control and common sense. Two operators to chipper at all times will reduce accidents. This rationale has been proven over and over again in many hazardous occupations.

 

[treeslayer]

I want an elephant pulling my chipper from now on.

Treeslayer aint scared of neither.

 

[jefflovstrom]

This subject is a pet peeve of mine. IMO no amount of "safety" devices will ever substitute for good training, good site control and common sense. Two operators to chipper at all times will reduce accidents. This rationale has been proven over and over again in many hazardous occupations.

I get it now-OOMT! Is that why they made "car-pool lanes", I wonder if I should ever drive in traffic alone again? Can traffic accidents be less if we have more than one operator in the scene?
Jeff:monkey:

 

[treemandan]

First of all that pic of the cowboy is so true and second: Its a sad day indeed when someone feels that have to prove Jomoco wrong.

 

[outofmytree]

I get it now-OOMT! Is that why they made "car-pool lanes", I wonder if I should ever drive in traffic alone again? Can traffic accidents be less if we have more than one operator in the scene?
Jeff:monkey:

Maybe you just like to argue,
Jeff Lovstrom

Ah yes, my fellow arborists illustrating the true depths of their concern for their groundies safety?

Joking about the gruesome demise of our fellow treeworkers to the point of actually trying to trivialize this growing problem in our industry?

jomoco

I always took you to be petulant, rather than obtuse. It is up to you to prove which it is. Outofmytree.

You reveal yourself as obtuse lovstrom. Better let your mate jomoco know just how important safety around chippers is to you.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Really OOMT, Merry Christmas and lets let arguments be that, but as people being people, thats all good to. We will probably always argue (or not) but we can still be cool. Right?
Jeff

 

[M.D. Vaden]

A big animal has choice, and may or may not attack. Chippers don't attack.

But seems to add to the chippers unpredicabilty are the limbs and whether or not they twist, or whether they will snag somebody.

I would never buy a chuck n duck chipper, but sort of miss the entertainment of those when we used them at country clubs years ago.

For safety, I'm sort of leaning toward what outofmytree posted earlier.

Good equipment, good manual, good training, good habits