MS291 vs. MS261

[old-cat]

I agree, save the milling for bigger saws .


P.S. ....... I enjoy all your comments ST whether I agree or disagree. (my skins gettin' a little tougher)

I wish you would have clarified that statement. My guess is that the 261 fan don't cool as well as the bigger saws?:msp_unsure:

 

[biggus]

I don't think the 291 is worth the extra 100 bucks myself. However the higher price comes from the more complex cylinder casting, extra carb/intake plumbing, improved air filter setup. Plus all the other modern features like spring AV and air injection, one piece quick disconnect top cover. I've also been told the 291 has a better power band, like most strato saws.

Good to know. You make a better salesman than the guy who tried to get me to take the 291, LOL!

 

[s219]

I wish you would have clarified that statement. My guess is that the 261 fan don't cool as well as the bigger saws?:msp_unsure:

The 261 cools quite well, for its cc. The problem is not enough cc's for milling.

 

[old-cat]

The 261 cools quite well, for its cc. The problem is not enough cc's for milling.

I guess I've got a really thick head. It has been said that the ported 261 has power like a 70cc saw, so what's stopping it from doing the 70cc job?

 

[opinion]

The 261 weighs less than the 291 and also runs at higher rpm. 291 doesn't have the HD2 air filter. 261 has the mag case, captive nuts, elastostart, stainless muffler, quarter turn case removal, and deco valve, 291 does not.
I highly doubt the 291 will drop in price after the 290's are gone. The 271 is the actual replacement for the 290 and they are priced the same right now.

 

[Wild Knight]

I guess I've got a really thick head. It has been said that the ported 261 has power like a 70cc saw, so what's stopping it from doing the 70cc job?

It is oiler limited relative to 70cc+ saws. If the OP is only milling smaller wood with an 18" bar, then it may be OK. I would still opt for a 441 or bigger.

Additionally, those 261's that act like 70cc saws often have the strato overridden and fuel is being mixed through the strato port. Not exactly what I would call a simple woods port or work saw.

 

[Roll Tide]

The 261 weighs less than the 291 and also runs at higher rpm. 291 doesn't have the HD2 air filter. 261 has the mag case, captive nuts, elastostart, stainless muffler, quarter turn case removal, and deco valve, 291 does not.
I highly doubt the 291 will drop in price after the 290's are gone. The 271 is the actual replacement for the 290 and they are priced the same right now.

No sir the 271 is a replacement for the 270. The 291 is the replacement for the 290. Not sure where that came from

 

[opinion]

Got it from the distributor.
I thought the 291 was the replacement as well, but apparently it is the 271. Doesn't make sense to me except in terms of price-wise, but that's what it is.

 

[Roll Tide]

Got it from the distributor.
I thought the 291 was the replacement as well, but apparently it is the 271. Doesn't make sense to me except in terms of price-wise, but that's what it is.

Well that is an incorrect statement. Obviousely the 271 is a replacement for the 270 and the 291 is a replacement for the 290. Sorry but he must have had too much to drink or you heard wrong. Thats just how it is not being rude but thats just how it is.

 

[Roll Tide]

3.1 Engine
MS 270 MS 280
Displacement: 49.6 cm3 54.2 cm3
Bore: 44.0 mm 46.0 mm
Stroke: 32.6 mm 32.6 mm
Engine power to ISO 7293: 2.6 kW (3.54 HP)
at 9,500 rpm
2.8 kW (3.81 HP)
at 9,500 rpm
Max. permissible engine
speed (with bar and chain): 13,500 ± 150 rpm 13,500 ± 150 rpm
Idle speed: 2,800 rpm 2,800 rpm
Clutch: Three-shoe centrifugal
clutch without linings
Three-shoe centrifugal
clutch without linings
Clutch engages at: 3,300 rpm 3,300 rpm
Crankcase leakage test
– at gauge pressure:
– under vacuum:
60 kPa (0.6 bar)
40 kPa (0.4 bar)

2.1 Engine
MS 271 MS 291
Displacement: 50.2 cm3 55.5 cm3
Bore: 44.7 mm 47.0 mm
Stroke: 32.0 mm 32.0 mm
Engine power to ISO 7293: 2.6 kW (3.5 bhp)
at 9,500 rpm
2.8 kW (3.8 bhp)
at 9,500 rpm
Maximum permissible engine speed
with bar and chain: 13,000 rpm 13,000 rpm
Idle speed: 2,800 rpm 2,800 rpm
Clutch: Centrifugal clutch without
linings
Centrifugal clutch without
linings
Clutch engages at: 3,600 rpm 3,600 rpm
Crankcase leakage test
at gauge pressure: 0.5 bar
under vacuum: 0.5

 

[Roll Tide]

3.1 Engine
MS 290 MS 310 MS 390
Displacement: 56.5 cm3 59.0 cm3 64.1 cm3
Bore: 46 mm 47 mm 49 mm
Stroke: 34 mm 34 mm 34 mm
Engine power to ISO 7293: 3.0 kW (4.1 bhp)
at 9,500 rpm
3.2 kW (4.4 bhp)
at 9,500 rpm
3.4 kW (4.6 bhp)
at 9,500 rpm
Max. permissible engine speed
with bar and chain: 12,500 rpm 13,000 rpm 13,000 rpm
Idle speed: 2,800 rpm
Clutch: Centrifugal clutch without linings
Clutch engages at: 3,500 rpm

MS 291
Displacement: 50.2 cm3 55.5 cm3
Bore: 44.7 mm 47.0 mm
Stroke: 32.0 mm 32.0 mm
Engine power to ISO 7293: 2.6 kW (3.5 bhp)
at 9,500 rpm
2.8 kW (3.8 bhp)
at 9,500 rpm
Maximum permissible engine speed
with bar and chain: 13,000 rpm 13,000 rpm
Idle speed: 2,800 rpm 2,800 rpm
Clutch: Centrifugal clutch without
linings
Centrifugal clutch without



Id like to talk to the man you talked to. His logic makes no sence.

 

[THALL10326]

Try to find a single other saw in todays market that has more metal per total weigh - I doubt there is even a single one!

Of course some carb issues can be expected with totally new carb models, no surprice there....:msp_rolleyes:

Just carbs?, come now. More than just carbs. If they keep on people gonna start calling those things the Edsels of the saw market....

 

[T0RN4D0]

I guess I've got a really thick head. It has been said that the ported 261 has power like a 70cc saw, so what's stopping it from doing the 70cc job?

70cc isn't enough for milling either.

 

[s219]

I guess I've got a really thick head. It has been said that the ported 261 has power like a 70cc saw, so what's stopping it from doing the 70cc job?

"Runs like a 70cc saw" and "is a 70cc saw" are still two different things in my book. The former would be a saw strung out to within an inch of its life, while the latter is going to be relaxing right in the middle of its intended operating range.

I mean, I have a 261 and I can appreciate how it would run if ported. But I don't think either version of the 261 could make me put down saws like the 441 or 461 for really big wood or big cuts. I think that is especially true for milling, where the saw has to run for a long time when making cuts. Capacity is another consideration -- I'd have no problems running a 28" bar on a 441, but I'd never suggest doing it on a 261, ported or not.

 

[Andyshine77]

It is oiler limited relative to 70cc+ saws. If the OP is only milling smaller wood with an 18" bar, then it may be OK. I would still opt for a 441 or bigger.

Additionally, those 261's that act like 70cc saws often have the strato overridden and fuel is being mixed through the strato port. Not exactly what I would call a simple woods port or work saw.

A bigger carb is required if you truly want to run with the big boys, and that takes a bit of effort if you want the controls to function as they should.

 

[Stihl-Pioneer]

Well that is an incorrect statement. Obviousely the 271 is a replacement for the 270 and the 291 is a replacement for the 290. Sorry but he must have had too much to drink or you heard wrong. Thats just how it is not being rude but thats just how it is.

In a way the 291 replaced the 280 and also will be the 290 replacement to boot by the looks.

 

[SawTroll]

Here is a quote from ST back about 8 months ago talking about 261

Yep ST; but many of us here can read bullchit

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He has said just about the same words for the MS 461 now which he hasn't ran either; this was posted last month


He only looks at picture of chain saw's as he has posted that several times

:monkey:Editing quotes can make any statement look foolish or meaningless, and is extremely bad conduct.....:msp_rolleyes:

....back on my (very short) "ignore" list you go!

 

[lambs]

Back to our regular programming.


For $70 difference, I'd by the 261 everytime.

 

[sunfish]

H2H, this is gettin real old!

 

[sunfish]

It sure is

If you think I'm the only one feed up with it you should read some of the emails and messages I get and read what others are saying in thread's about what ST is writing








Want me to post more quotes sunfish ?

NO! That's what's getting old, man!