Oil free water soluble bar and chain lube

[buzz sawyer]

This ended it for me:

 

[nedsim]

It's based on a thick ,plant-derived ,non-toxic alcohol ,with a surfactant /anti-corrosion agent and a "preservative" added .

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It is closely related to cooling liquids used
on automobiles .Much thicker though...

But here's the catch ...
Check the substance with CAS# 4719-04-4 .
The third one on the table above ...

Now read the following :

https://www.ashland.com/file_source...lity/rc_hexahydro-135-tris-s-triazine_pss.pdf
Fatal if inhaled ...
That product contains 0.5 to 0.8 % of that crap ( triazines ) .

The hexahydro-blah-blah has the same exposure limit as traditional bar oil mist, but is less than 1% of the makeup of the veggie oil. It sounds like the primary use of the stuff is as an anti-bacterial in water-soluble metal working fluids. Nasty bugs growing in machine tool sumps is a huge problem in machine shops.

I, and many friends and acquaintances, would be dead by now if it were terribly dangerous. Not that I'll be rushing out to buy $35/gallon bar oil...

 

[Captain Bruce]

Anyone heard of this stuff?

https://b3cfuel.com/product/better-than-oil-bar-chain-lubricant/

Yes. A customer brought his saw in and dragged this jug along, for my interest. Its soap-based, has a very low tack, lubes like crazy, and is priced high. It works, for the homeowners who are infrequest saw users.

 

[OM617YOTA]

The hexahydro-blah-blah has the same exposure limit as traditional bar oil mist, but is less than 1% of the makeup of the veggie oil. It sounds like the primary use of the stuff is as an anti-bacterial in water-soluble metal working fluids. Nasty bugs growing in machine tool sumps is a huge problem in machine shops.

I, and many friends and acquaintances, would be dead by now if it were terribly dangerous. Not that I'll be rushing out to buy $35/gallon bar oil...

If it is the same stuff, I'd be dead too. Interesting.

This kind of discussion is exactly why I posted this here.

 

[Sidecarflip]

The hexahydro-blah-blah has the same exposure limit as traditional bar oil mist, but is less than 1% of the makeup of the veggie oil. It sounds like the primary use of the stuff is as an anti-bacterial in water-soluble metal working fluids. Nasty bugs growing in machine tool sumps is a huge problem in machine shops.

I, and many friends and acquaintances, would be dead by now if it were terribly dangerous. Not that I'll be rushing out to buy $35/gallon bar oil...

I have that issue with my flood coolant machine tools and to that end I use Tramp Oil Skimmers and the concentrated coolant I use contains a biocide anyway.

 

[Captain Bruce]

I have that issue with my flood coolant machine tools and to that end I use Tramp Oil Skimmers and the concentrated coolant I use contains a biocide anyway.

and? that pertains to chainsaws how?

 

[jellyroll]

I will be sticking to my filtered waste hydraulic oil.

 

[singinwoodwackr]

. It works, for the homeowners who are infrequest saw users.

yea, those nut-cases who have bought into oil=bad

 

[Sidecarflip]

and? that pertains to chainsaws how?

The part about biocide pertains....

 

[IntegrityCarpentry]

Sounds like a product meant to kill people like fentanyl. On the opposite end so many other things we are told are healthy or safe or important for keeping us healthy and safe.

 

[Sidecarflip]

Huh??? So is the gas you put in your chainsaws. I certainly don't drink machine tool coolant. You drink your gas...

 

[ColoCoug]

Considering that the output of our chainsaws is (highly toxic and potentially deadly) carbon monoxide that we get to breathe while using the saw, I don't see that the potential risk from the new bar lube is anything to be worried about.

Seems like it might be worth watching. I wouldn't mind using something less petroleum-based than bar lube when sawing up wood that I'll use in smoking meat.

 

[SteveSr]

I wouldn't mind using something less petroleum-based than bar lube when sawing up wood that I'll use in smoking meat.

You could always use vegetable (canola) oil. Just watch out as it can self-polymerize and gum everything up.

 

[Sidecarflip]

Sort of like palm tree sap....

 

[larrypac]

I just found a gallon on home despot for $20 with free shipping and despite a tiny percentage of toxic ingredients, I figure it has to be better than petroleum based B+C oil. My question is: do i need to completely clean out the reservoir to make the change? Anyone?

 

[Syflan]

But … But … But … But … it's globally harmonized!