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P&C will need some work or maybe just replace them with NOS pieces.
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Jerry
I'm embarresed! Geezzz, I knew it was dirty but WOW that's almost looking as bad as that saw you posted way back, that a fella wanted you to restore,it was a real mess if I remember.What is that stuff all over the cylinder cooling fins.It looks like it's melted ! Very good photography !
Lawrence
I'm embarresed! Geezzz, I knew it was dirty but WOW that's almost looking as bad as that saw you posted way back, that a fella wanted you to restore,it was a real mess if I remember.What is that stuff all over the cylinder cooling fins.It looks like it's melted ! Very good photography !
Lawrence
Good to hear from you Jeff, the saw will be a little lighter after a good cleaning. You are so right, too much oil that was not really combustible, heavy deposits in the exhaust port, that`s what took out the piston, carbon broke off and fragmented then scuffed up the aluminum. It would actually run the way it was but I hope it will run even better when I am through....
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Pionerguy600
I did not post the picts to embarras you, you were so good to get and send this saw to me, no worries. It will be cleaned up and some of the scuffed up parts will be replaced, just the kind of project saw I like to get. Hey!.. anyone can get a new saw and it will run, I prefer to get saws that need work, no saw has ever been too much work for me yet, as long as I can search out the bits needed it will run again. LOL
Merry Christmas;
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Yeller Fella
I know you were not up to anything by posting the pictures, just making light of that dirty,dirty saw! Merry Christmas Jerry!
Merry Christmas to all you Pioneer guys and to all the AS members!
Lawrence
I know you were not up to anything by posting the pictures, just making light of that dirty,dirty saw! Merry Christmas Jerry!
Merry Christmas to all you Pioneer guys and to all the AS members!
Lawrence
Missed answering part of your question Lawrence, that stuff on the cylinder was just chain oil and fine sawdust, it washed off easily and that cylinder would clean up inside easily and be good to run again, the piston is a little too far damaged to run for long. We will see what is in this box, it might just be the ticket...
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Jerry, that looks like a good one. I recognize that part number on the box as a cylinder kit. I can't remember if it's the thick or thin ringed version. Hopefully the thin one. I see visions of a beautiful P62HP in your future.
You are so right, it is an OEM rebuild kit for the P62 High Performance saws, thin ring piston version, has some nice goodies with it.
Pioneerguy600
You are so right, it is an OEM rebuild kit for the P62 High Performance saws, thin ring piston version, has some nice goodies with it.
Pioneerguy600
That's a beautiful thing... I love that new top end smell.
That's a beautiful thing... I love that new top end smell.
Hmmmmmm, that new factory smell, actually a little faded, been shelf sitting a few years, glad I held on to it though. Was thinking of putting the 455BP setup on it but then, it is better to keep it stock.
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A much better choice. I agree that you should keep it original. I wish I had a few more of those kits.
A fellow can never have enough big P series P&C sets although I don`t think I`ll ever wear out any of my P series saws. LOL.
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Sagetown
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Here is my old Pioneer 2073. Bought it new in ' 71 '. Used it for cutting firewood every year until I lost the chain adjuster in ' 97 ' . It's a 51.4cc , 3.14 cu. in. engine that weighs 9 lbs. 10 ozs. w/o the bar. This is the original 16" Bar that came with it. I've cut some big oak timber with this one.
Here is my old Pioneer 2073. Bought it new in ' 71 '. Used it for cutting firewood every year until I lost the chain adjuster in ' 97 ' . It's a 51.4cc , 3.14 cu. in. engine that weighs 9 lbs. 10 ozs. w/o the bar. This is the original 16" Bar that came with it. I've cut some big oak timber with this one.
Nice old survivor you have there Sagetown and welcome to the site. I have run most of the older Pioneers and own a few also. They were solid performers in their day, many of them are still running and cutting firewood in my area.
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Sagetown, welcome. Your saw is a testament to the Pioneer engineering. Is that the original top cover?
I think your," 973" is likely a 970. The 970 and 1073 came from the factory with a Pioneer carb on them, the 1073 came from the factory with the adjustable Tillotson HU carb. The Pioneer company provided a kit to change the 970 and the 1073 over to Tillotson HU`s also and many of them were done with this kit. The settings on the original Pioneer carbs were not the greatest and they had some internal parts that left a little to be desired.
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Sagetown
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Thanks for the welcome Jerry and propliner. Yep it still wears the original cover. Notice the label is slowly coming loose. What would you estimate the horsepower to be ~ between 3.2 and 3.4 hp ? Just curious, Not that it really matters.
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