who makes the best diesel truck?

[motoroilmccall]

Chevy Allison tranny is bullet proof, and the duramax engine rocks.

Shows how much of a noob you are...

Allison tranny's are the best stock transmissions in the 2500/3500 market, but the new 68RE is testing that pretty well. However, the Aisin tranny in the C+C Dodge's are leaps and bounds stronger than the Allison. NONE of the stock auto's are considered reliable at anything over 400HP if they are used for towing (which is what they were built for).

Ford Suspension and Axles, NEW Dodge interior, Dodge Styling, Cummins motor, Aisin tranny, NP271 T-case, and Dodge driveshafts (the new Fords are half aluminum). That would be the best truck out there.

 

[Peacock]

Ford Suspension and Axles, NEW Dodge interior, Dodge Styling, Cummins motor, Aisin tranny, NP271 T-case, and Dodge driveshafts (the new Fords are half aluminum). That would be the best truck out there.

As a former Ford dealer tech and a current Honda tech at a Dodge dealer, I disagree. I'd rather have Dodge suspension and axles. We put TONS of ball joinst and axle seals and ring and pinions in Ford's that were still under warranty. Their 4x4 setup with the vacuum actuated hubs was a joke too.

While the new Dodge interior is good, I'd rather have the current GM interior.

 

[Freakingstang]

nothing wrong with a cummins, but the trucks they are in are horrible.

For stock apples to apples right off the dealer lot, the D-max takes the cake.

 

[newby79]

It probly is bullet proof with just a duramax bolted up to it. The real test would be bolted up to the cummins which to this day with a heavy load will still walk away from the duramax. Not saying the duramax is a bad engine but it is not in the same class as a cummins. If the duramax could do with a heavy load what the cummins does do you would have heard of a lot more chevy tranny problems.

I am now dumber after reading this post the new cummins produces 350 hp and 650 ft lb of torque. The current duramax produces 365 hp and 660 ft lb of torque so how is the cummins stronger than the duramax. I like the cummins engine they are dependable and very capable engines. As far as with a heavy load go to the dieselplace.com and search the great pull off they usually do this pulloff with the new trucks every year. they do all sorts of tests to see which engine tranny package performs the best. like pulling up a 10% grade, the last one I checked out the dodge with the almighty cummins was in last place. The cummins is a great engine but lets keep things in perspective.

 

[newby79]

Shows how much of a noob you are...

Allison tranny's are the best stock transmissions in the 2500/3500 market, but the new 68RE is testing that pretty well. However, the Aisin tranny in the C+C Dodge's are leaps and bounds stronger than the Allison. NONE of the stock auto's are considered reliable at anything over 400HP if they are used for towing (which is what they were built for).

Ford Suspension and Axles, NEW Dodge interior, Dodge Styling, Cummins motor, Aisin tranny, NP271 T-case, and Dodge driveshafts (the new Fords are half aluminum). That would be the best truck out there.

I am sorry I did not know we were talking about c+c models I thought he was wondering about pickups.

 

[motoroilmccall]

I am sorry I did not know we were talking about c+c models I thought he was wondering about pickups.

He was, but you said the Allison is "Bulletproof". That just isn't anywhere near the truth. Fact is, all the new tranny's are close in performance and reliability, in fact, depending on how you use them, there isn't a clear winner.

Like I have said before, if you go anywhere over 400HP on any new stock trans, your on borrowed time. If its an older truck, anything over 300HP is pushing it, however when built properly, any of these transmissions can hold 4 figure horsepower numbers.

 

[046]

almost ALL ball joints/tie rod ends now days come without a grease zert. it's not that ball joints are inherently bad on any model.

what's closer to the truth is ball joints of any flavor ... especially in heavy duty applications like 4x4.... will go dry... when ANY bearing to bearing surfaces goes dry... game over!

planned obsolesce pure and simple. mfg's don't want your front end to last forever, but do want it to last past warranty period.

used to be standard procedure to lube the front end with each oil change. older vehicle front ends, if maintained would last close to forever. it's possible to do the same by filling up rubber boot with grease using a grease needle.

As a former Ford dealer tech and a current Honda tech at a Dodge dealer, I disagree. I'd rather have Dodge suspension and axles. We put TONS of ball joinst and axle seals and ring and pinions in Ford's that were still under warranty. Their 4x4 setup with the vacuum actuated hubs was a joke too.

While the new Dodge interior is good, I'd rather have the current GM interior.

 

[Peacock]

almost ALL ball joints/tie rod ends now days come without a grease zert. it's not that ball joints are inherently bad on any model.

what's closer to the truth is ball joints of any flavor ... especially in heavy duty applications like 4x4.... will go dry... when ANY bearing to bearing surfaces goes dry... game over!

planned obsolesce pure and simple. mfg's don't want your front end to last forever, but do want it to last past warranty period.

used to be standard procedure to lube the front end with each oil change. older vehicle front ends, if maintained would last close to forever. it's possible to do the same by filling up rubber boot with grease using a grease needle.

You're right. So, why isn't it as big of a problem on the other manufacturer's without grease fittings?

 

[Freakingstang]

You're right. So, why isn't it as big of a problem on the other manufacturer's without grease fittings?

inferior metal.....opcorn:

 

[046]

that's totally not true... ALL ball joints without grease zerts ... if subjected to heavy duty use... without re-lubing... then going dry will fail!

difference is how someone uses the vehicle. naturally a 4x4 diesel equipped truck.... weighting 8k+ lbs will put more stress on it's front end. VS a 2wdr gas vehicle only driven on the highway.

it used to be recommended that 4x4 vehicles re-lube the entire front end after each off-road session. with no grease zerts ... and folks not realizing a grease needle will do the same job. result is ball joints fail after only 45k miles. under heavy duty conditions... what's more amazing is how that ball joint survived that long without lube.

by the way... I used to be in the Auto parts business for 15+ years and know break down. to be able to intelligently stock parts, one has to understand how vehicles break.

You're right. So, why isn't it as big of a problem on the other manufacturer's without grease fittings?

 

[newby79]

He was, but you said the Allison is "Bulletproof". That just isn't anywhere near the truth. Fact is, all the new tranny's are close in performance and reliability, in fact, depending on how you use them, there isn't a clear winner.

Like I have said before, if you go anywhere over 400HP on any new stock trans, your on borrowed time. If its an older truck, anything over 300HP is pushing it, however when built properly, any of these transmissions can hold 4 figure horsepower numbers.

You already made my point in stating that the allison was the best in 2500 and 3500 which is the size of truck he was talking about so quit being a .........

 

[046]

hey motoroilmccall may be a bit rough.... but he knows his trucks!

You already made my point in stating that the allison was the best in 2500 and 3500 which is the size of truck he was talking about so quit being a douche.

 

[newby79]

Dont care the original ? was about 3/4 and 1 ton trucks and he starts pulling medium duty c+c issues up.

 

[Peacock]

that's totally not true... ALL ball joints without grease zerts ... if subjected to heavy duty use... without re-lubing... then going dry will fail!

difference is how someone uses the vehicle. naturally a 4x4 diesel equipped truck.... weighting 8k+ lbs will put more stress on it's front end. VS a 2wdr gas vehicle only driven on the highway.

it used to be recommended that 4x4 vehicles re-lube the entire front end after each off-road session. with no grease zerts ... and folks not realizing a grease needle will do the same job. result is ball joints fail after only 45k miles. under heavy duty conditions... what's more amazing is how that ball joint survived that long without lube.

by the way... I used to be in the Auto parts business for 15+ years and know break down. to be able to intelligently stock parts, one has to understand how vehicles break.

You are missing the point. We don't see hardly any in warranty repair on Dodge ball joints and steering parts. U-joints? Tons of them. None are greasable.

I made quite a bit of money replacing front end parts on Ford's. It's the same parts, some used harder and some lead an easier life.

I'm talking F-150 and Super Duty's with loose front end parts with 10-15k is not unheard of. Plenty of Dodge and GM trucks rolling around with original ball joints and 100k. Adding a grease fitting will no doubt extend life, but only if it's not a junk part to begin with.

 

[ropensaddle]

My new 6.7 dodge is hopefully better than the new ford 6.0
was, time will tell and I am easy on the pedal now in my older age.
I was told by my salesman that my tranny is a knock off Allison and
they have to pay Chevy so much per truck they use them in? If
that is true my truck should be bullet proof with the cummins allison
package if the epa has not ruined the cummins

 

[motoroilmccall]

You already made my point in stating that the allison was the best in 2500 and 3500 which is the size of truck he was talking about so quit being a douche.

First off, thanks 046, I appreciate the props. And you seem to know your trucks well too.

Newby, watch the potty mouth, we aren't here to insult each other. I corrected you, and thats that. FYI, C+C trucks come in 1500 (some brands)/2500/3500 applications, so the Aisin fits. Even though we are talking pickups, you made the original statement that the "Allison tranny's are bulletproof" and that's about as true a fact as Barack Obama not having Socialist economic policies, meaning, ITS FLAT OUT WRONG...

I never insulted you, just corrected, and if you want to call me a "douche" on the internet it really shows your lack of knowledge. Putting someone else down doesn't mean you go up in anyone's books, it just makes you look like a punk kid.

And to RAS... The 68RE is not even close to the Allison in design, so what the salesman told you is a crock (nothing new there, they do it all the time). The 68RE is a totally new design, taking most of its cues from the 48RE, but beefed up and with 2 more gears. It operates as similarly to the Allison as it does an old E4OD, meaning, it shifts on its own, and thats about where the similarities end.

-McCall

 

[ropensaddle]

First off, thanks 046, I appreciate the props. And you seem to know your trucks well too.

Newby, watch the potty mouth, we aren't here to insult each other. I corrected you, and thats that. FYI, C+C trucks come in 1500 (some brands)/2500/3500 applications, so the Aisin fits. Even though we are talking pickups, you made the original statement that the "Allison tranny's are bulletproof" and that's about as true a fact as Barack Obama not having Socialist economic policies, meaning, ITS FLAT OUT WRONG...

I never insulted you, just corrected, and if you want to call me a "douche" on the internet it really shows your lack of knowledge. Putting someone else down doesn't mean you go up in anyone's books, it just makes you look like a punk kid.

And to RAS... The 68RE is not even close to the Allison in design, so what the salesman told you is a crock (nothing new there, they do it all the time). The 68RE is a totally new design, taking most of its cues from the 48RE, but beefed up and with 2 more gears. It operates as similarly to the Allison as it does an old E4OD, meaning, it shifts on its own, and thats about where the similarities end.

-McCall

It shifts on its own or manual with a button I will check to see which tranny mine has before I call him a liar.

 

[eric_271]

I am now dumber after reading this post the new cummins produces 350 hp and 650 ft lb of torque. The current duramax produces 365 hp and 660 ft lb of torque so how is the cummins stronger than the duramax. I like the cummins engine they are dependable and very capable engines. As far as with a heavy load go to the dieselplace.com and search the great pull off they usually do this pulloff with the new trucks every year. they do all sorts of tests to see which engine tranny package performs the best. like pulling up a 10% grade, the last one I checked out the dodge with the almighty cummins was in last place. The cummins is a great engine but lets keep things in perspective.

You are dumber? Glad you admit it. The detuned cummins we are talking about here is superior to the duramax in every way. The last pull off I read about the duramax burnt up and caught the truck on fire. Besides that the cummins is making the same hp and tq on 2 less cylinders then the duramax. Like I said the duramax is a decent engine but I'm not the one here that thinks its in the same class as the cummins. You probly think dodge won't put some of the tune back in the cummins to change who has more tq, and hp. When I open the hood on a chevy truck with the duramax all I can say is massive boat anchor. You need to do a good read on diesel engine design. The 5.9 Cummins can be ordered at 6 and 700 hp from the cummins factory and does all the time for buses fire engines and trucks. Can you see where I'm going with this yet?

 

[spacemule]

My dog can piss farther than you all's dogs.

 

[eric_271]

My dog can piss farther than you all's dogs.

Back it up. How far can he piss?