Either you dont have much equiptment or you pay man hours to bring it all on a bid! Now that is Gay!
Jeff
who wears thier ISA jacket when bidding a job?
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Either you dont have much equiptment or you pay man hours to bring it all on a bid! Now that is Gay!
Jeff
Whatchoo talkinbout, Willis? :agree2:Either you dont have much equiptment or you pay man hours to bring it all on a bid! Now that is Gay!
Jeff
I do estimates in my 1991 Honda Civic with 226,000 miles on it. :yoyo:
But they see the BCMA and it's all good.
that was funny dan. Sir Walter would have loved it.
mckeetree
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Now that is Gay!
Jeff
That's worse than gay, that's just outright queer.
mckeetree
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Nobody and their dog knows what a BCMA is. The credential hasn't been marketed at all.
voxac30dude
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i think i failed big time on this posting now everyone thinks im some gay homo who flashes his ISA jacket around like a glam ******. i just wear when it's cold and it is promoting the ISA to people. i wanna promote it as much as i can here in hawaii becase we have scary tongan tree crew who top everything they touch and wear no PPE
op, never. In the last 15 years I was asked to show arborist credentials 5 times. All form municipalities that required a certified arborist. In the last 5 years I can not remember being asked for creds at all. 100% of my business is referrals. I dont even advertise in the phone book anymore. Sporting ISA stickers, patches n jackets is just too desperate and means nothing to 99% of your customers. The 1% of customers that ask to see your creds are going to be a tree-Google-web-surfing computer,armchair arborists that second guesses your every move. You really dont want to work for the 1%ers .The good customers just want someone that is responsible and knows whAt their doing (with insurance).An ISA sticker isnt going to prove it. Your body language and confidence while doing the bid is what will get you the job. Your customer will size you up when you do the bid. You better know how to talk to people. When you do a great job at a fair price neighbors will talk. Never rip anyone off and you will have endless work. When you bid jobs show up neat and clean and talk to the customer like a friend.
People skills are much more than ISA credentials. Knowing what your doing skills are important too. If you have both of these skills you will not need Stickers or a special jacket to earn a decent living at this.
If you know what your doing then there is no reason to lack confidence. Confidence sells. Bravado is not confidence. Good luck
People skills are much more than ISA credentials. Knowing what your doing skills are important too. If you have both of these skills you will not need Stickers or a special jacket to earn a decent living at this.
If you know what your doing then there is no reason to lack confidence. Confidence sells. Bravado is not confidence. Good luck
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sgreanbeans
Treeaculterologist
:agree2:,Well said and very true. Word of mouth is the best
Not so--many are marketing it to their advantage. Lots of consumers know the brand and choose BCMA over CA for a lot of high-end tree work. If your market is not there yet, ask yourself why not.
Gotta go--we're taking the fleet out to do estimates, and I get to drive the chipper truck!
Norwayclimber
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Ed Roland
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While I dont have an ISA jacket, i do have my BCMA. It's given me the competitive edge over every other arborist in my operating area. I can pick and choose my assignments and charge a premium.
So where has the accreditation failed?
Not the same thing, but I wear my company t-shirt (a clean one) when I go grocery shopping. I get a grand or two of work that way every year.
"Oh, you cut trees? Because I have a... "
Might as well wear a shirt that says Free Psychiatric Help.
"Oh, you cut trees? Because I have a... "
Might as well wear a shirt that says Free Psychiatric Help.
mckeetree
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Lots of consumers here don't know the brand. Well, really, none do.
I wonder if I should load my old TD15 dozer up when I go to do estimates?
mckeetree
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I don't think the accreditation has failed I just know it is DEFINITELY not a buzz word like "certified arborist" is. At least around here. I think it is a good thing. I guess it would help if you spelled it out 'board certified master arborist" for folks. I don't know. If they just see BCMA they have no idea.
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Ed Roland
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BCMA is an acronym for the description of the behavior that often accompanies a lower bowel disorder!
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This from the fella whom pisses on his veggies?
BCMA is an acronym for the description of the behavior that often accompanies a lower bowel disorder!
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Well it definitely sounds a little YMCA to me anyways..
treeclimber101
UNCLE BUCK
Ah , now you got it , works doesn't it ....
That means one thing for sure--no one has gotten it and marketed it where you are. :rockn:
It don't happen by itself--this ain't no tv show; get off your aspirations and dance!@
Or not, your call. 315 is enough. Let's see, Ed and I will divvy eastern NC...
Bigus Termitius
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Hey Hawaii...don't worry about it. Wear your shirt. There is nothing gay about supporting professional organizations within your industry.
Currently, I'm a utility arborist, working residential and commercial on the side, legitimately, on the weekends.
During the week we get all kinds of po'd homeowners that have seen the destruction that a rogue utility trimming crew can create first hand.
I have a 'trees are good' hat and an 'isa member' sticker and a 'trees are good' sticker along with a power company sticker on my hard hat. Whether I go to the door or I am approached in the work zone, I am communicating the basic tenets of professionalism and principle with regards to tree care.
It is a very functional aspect of a total communications package that I have learned to employ and it works. The difference has been night and day. Some want to know what the ISA is and it opens the door for me to share. If nothing else, they know I care about their tree situation and they listen to my recommendations. I get alot of side work that way too.
The only types that aren't somewhat impressed one way or the other are the low brow methheads that have 10K in scrap metal for lawn ornaments and a $200 car that's about ready to make the 'collection.' They seem to have problems with everybody and everybody seems to have problems with them.
At any rate, I wear my company shirt and my 'trees are good' ball cap to estimates...I haven't lost a job yet for it.
Currently, I'm a utility arborist, working residential and commercial on the side, legitimately, on the weekends.
During the week we get all kinds of po'd homeowners that have seen the destruction that a rogue utility trimming crew can create first hand.
I have a 'trees are good' hat and an 'isa member' sticker and a 'trees are good' sticker along with a power company sticker on my hard hat. Whether I go to the door or I am approached in the work zone, I am communicating the basic tenets of professionalism and principle with regards to tree care.
It is a very functional aspect of a total communications package that I have learned to employ and it works. The difference has been night and day. Some want to know what the ISA is and it opens the door for me to share. If nothing else, they know I care about their tree situation and they listen to my recommendations. I get alot of side work that way too.
The only types that aren't somewhat impressed one way or the other are the low brow methheads that have 10K in scrap metal for lawn ornaments and a $200 car that's about ready to make the 'collection.' They seem to have problems with everybody and everybody seems to have problems with them.
At any rate, I wear my company shirt and my 'trees are good' ball cap to estimates...I haven't lost a job yet for it.
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Bigus Termitius
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There are people in CT making that connection work for them very well.
No, it doesn't help cut trees down. :monkey: If that is all you want to do, the connection is not so beneficial. But it can open doors for removal jobs for towns and other who value higher work standards.
I don't have the jacket, but wear the hats and the patches. People seem to respect my opinion more, and that means increased sales and profit.
Worth 20 cents a day imo, unless you're broke, as are many who are in that race to the bottom with the other removal specialists.
True story. My only local competition, a long time removal specialist, is not going to be happy as the city is now interested in opening up bids...as "they've never had a certified arborist before."
mckeetree
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You are right about that. Guess I need to get to moving.
