Is Stihl The Master of Puppets?

[RED-85-Z51]

What did your Echo rep tell you regarding oils? What about Echo making only professional saws?

Echo only makes pro grade equipment, across the board. They dont make a homeowner tier peice of equipment, although many of the smaller, lighter trimmers, blowers, and saws are used residentially.

 

[Sethro]

Good thread here John. I think the answer is very simple, the majority of people are pretty smart. You can fool many but the bigger majority will not be fooled. Sure you will see guys like Red yaking about Stihl and thinking Poulan is the best thing since 7-up but the majority know better. You will find the cookie cutters all raving about speed of their Husky but do they use those saws for a living day in and day out, not hardly. There are guys like you John that think the Dolmar is the hottest thing out there and I think your right on that. I think the 7900 and 5100 are the cream of the crop. Sadly though the majority doesn't care for all that speed when dealers are so far and few, the speed isn't worth the headache to the vast majority of buyers. Stihl has had their act together for decades, from the momemt the saw is sold all they way through till its completely wore out. Thats why the majority has always preferred Stihl and always will. Good thread John.

I have'nt brought up the 7900 yet.

 

[windthrown]

Echo only makes pro grade equipment, across the board. They dont make a homeowner tier peice of equipment, although many of the smaller, lighter trimmers, blowers, and saws are used residentially.

Huh???? A lot of pros use Echo saws and stuff, but I would not call their stuff PRO tier equipment.

 

[Austin1]

From another thread:

The reason why Stihl is #1

That saw does not say world Champion on it! What makes it so special
Just wanted to add fuel to the fire, every one knows it won't hold a candle to a Dolmer and it looks real ugly compared to a Jred The saw that is related to the world champ. Dam My smiley's are not working again!

 

[RED-85-Z51]

OK, let's approach this problem from a different angle. Don't you think that if during your heroic day-long escapade (incidentally, you made it sound like you were taking part in some global conflict or war of the worlds - never mind) you had one quality saw, i.e. one that functioned properly and had an operational, properly laminated bar, etc., you could have cut up a lot more of that wood a lot faster, and used up a lot less fuel? By presenting your adventure as you do, you only reinforce the quite obvious view that your collection of exotic crap-saws is indeed a collection of exotic crap-saws.

PS One question - does your obsession with "echo" stem from the fact that you are in some way engaged in the sonar business?

First off, you should read the thread before you post regarding it.

It wasnt a day long escapade, it was a few hours.

I had 2 quality saws, the CS-520, although I never brought it out. And the Tanaka. Then I had a Poulan Pro 260 I brought for any small stuff.

If you read the thread, I had no Idea what I was going into when I showed up, I was just told "there was alot of wood here".

If you read the thread, you would know that my back wont permit me to lift anything heavy..(broken Vertabrae will do that). My fireplace isnt gigantic, only midsized, about 44" corner to corner.

When I got there, it was completely picked over, but I was willing to make the best of it and get some wood I could use so it wouldnt be a totally wasted trip. I flush cut the limb stubs to the trunk, I cut some decent sized, yet thin rounds and split them...split some big rounds on the spot.

I did it all with the Poulan, and it went through a few tanks of gas doing it, without a hiccup. Then one of the adjutment needles on the carb wiggled out..(my bad, didnt put the limiter back on) and it died. Put the needle back in, and it fired to life like new again.

I had ample saw in the Echo to cut up most anything there, but I couldnt have made use of any of it, and Im not about to just go wasting gas and saw wear on wood I cant even transport.

I got enough wood to fill the back of the truck, and it stacked up nicely on the wood stand.

These were no where NEAR ideal cutting conditions. The ground was all torn up, lots of debris and brush scattered around..but I did the best I could.

I dont collect saws for profit...I dont collect saws to do a ton of firewood cutting...I just like saws, and Im not picky about size, brand etc.. Ive got Stihls because they were free, bottom line.

 

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[2000ssm6]

That saw does not say world Champion on it! What makes it so special
Just wanted to add fuel to the fire, every one knows it won't hold a candle to a Dolmer and it looks real ugly compared to a Jred The saw that is related to the world champ. Dam My smiley's are not working again!

LOL, it doesn't need a sticker. For looks I wood say Stihl, Dolmar, Jred and Husky. Quality and performance wood be the same.....

 

[THALL10326]

Nice way of putting and all along I thought you bled orange and whiteI am outa bullets or I would of gave ya some rep But then there is some of us who's Stihl dealers really suck in a big way and you are better off buying at a big box store!

Well I can't see how you can really justify the box store. They offer nothing but a box with a saw in it and see ya. Even a bad dealer should be able to offer more than that. Trust me, me and Stihl both love the box store more than you may realize. A huge amount of my sales and Stihls sales are due to box store purchases and unhappy box store customers. You would not believe how many Sears, Lowes and Home Depot customers switch over to Stihl the first time they need a repair and can't get it. Thats the straw that breaks they're back and here they come, I love it.

 

[THALL10326]

I have'nt brought up the 7900 yet.

Welp whatcha waiting on,LOL I got a 7900 and I love it.

 

[Sethro]

Good thread here John. I think the answer is very simple, the majority of people are pretty smart. You can fool many but the bigger majority will not be fooled. Sure you will see guys like Red yaking about Stihl and thinking Poulan is the best thing since 7-up but the majority know better. You will find the cookie cutters all raving about speed of their Husky but do they use those saws for a living day in and day out, not hardly. There are guys like you John that think the Dolmar is the hottest thing out there and I think your right on that. I think the 7900 and 5100 are the cream of the crop. Sadly though the majority doesn't care for all that speed when dealers are so far and few, the speed isn't worth the headache to the vast majority of buyers. Stihl has had their act together for decades, from the momemt the saw is sold all they way through till its completely wore out. Thats why the majority has always preferred Stihl and always will. Good thread John.

Thanks Tom. Speed can save your life!! Having to catch up to a big headed oak that starts going before you want it to ant no fun unless you have a saw that will flat out haul ass.

 

[Austin1]

LOL, it doesn't need a sticker. For looks I wood say Stihl, Dolmar, Jred and Husky. Quality and performance wood be the same.....

Ah ha, You said it Performace the same?Except Jreds and dolmars look better. I am twisting words here I sound like a Stihl head!
I might have things backwards as far as you are concerned but bottom line is we all have opinions and experiences that influence are choice.
Jreds still Rule:hmm3grin2orange:
P.S I have had way too much to drink tonight!

 

[THALL10326]

Thanks Tom. Speed can save your life!! Having to catch up to a big headed oak that starts going before you want it to ant no fun unless you have a saw that will flat out haul ass.

Welp in a way I kinda agree with you, speed can save your life. Thats why most all the rescue and fire companies in America have the Sthil 460 Rescue saw on the truck. It's saved more lives than any other saw in America.

 

[TwoStroke]

First off, you should read the thread before you post regarding it It would appear that you should read the thread.

It wasnt a day long escapade, it was a few hours. Well, I wasn't the only reader under the impression that it took you a day.

I had 2 quality saws, the CS-520, although I never brought it out. But in the original you state that you did in fact use the Echo on site - and here you say that you didn't??? And the Tanaka. Then I had a Poulan Pro 260 I brought for any small stuff.

If you read the thread, I had no Idea what I was going into when I showed up, I was just told "there was alot of wood here".

If you read the thread, you would know that my back wont permit me to lift anything heavy..(broken Vertabrae will do that). My fireplace isnt gigantic, only midsized, about 44" corner to corner.

When I got there, it was completely picked over, but I was willing to make the best of it and get some wood I could use so it wouldnt be a totally wasted trip. I flush cut the limb stubs to the trunk, I cut some decent sized, yet thin rounds and split them...split some big rounds on the spot.

I did it all with the Poulan Or with the Echo - could you make up your mind?, and it went through a few tanks of gas doing it In the original, your Pull-on went through 4 or even 6 tanks of gas, without a hiccup. Then one of the adjutment needles on the carb wiggled out..(my bad, didnt put the limiter back on) and it died Just what I was saying about quality saws - they don't have elements that go wiggly. Put the needle back in, and it fired to life like new again.

I had ample saw in the Echo to cut up most anything there, but I couldnt have made use of any of it But you did make use of it - or didn't?!?!, and Im not about to just go wasting gas and saw wear on wood I cant even transport.

I got enough wood to fill the back of the truck, and it stacked up nicely on the wood stand.

These were no where NEAR ideal cutting conditions. The ground was all torn up Explosion craters, etc., lots of debris and brush scattered around This is like something out of a jungle battle..but I did the best I could Absolutely.

I dont collect saws for profit...I dont collect saws to do a ton of firewood cutting...I just like saws, and Im not picky about size, brand etc.. You're not picky about brands ... unless its a Stihl Ive got Stihls because they were free, bottom line.

In short, Dear Red, you're all over the place - but don't drop your panties over this.

 

[pgg]

Rolls Royce, Daimler, BMW and Audi are cheapo sub-standard vehicles. Skoda and Lada are top notch quality. Dolly Parton and Selma Hayek have small breasts. Iraq and Iran are happy pleasant countries to visit. Oil companies aren't run by roguing ars**holes. There's no starvation in Africa. Echos are far superior to Stihls, Huskys and Dolmars

 

[wanab]

damn, i was waiting for him to pull out the WildThing and "get it on".

 

[Austin1]

Rolls Royce, Daimler, BMW and Audi are cheapo sub-standard vehicles. Skoda and Lada are top notch quality. Dolly Parton and Selma Hayek have small breasts. Iraq and Iran are happy pleasant countries to visit. Oil companies aren't run by roguing ars**holes. There's no starvation in Africa. Echos are far superior to Stihls, Huskys and Dolmars

When I was a kid 15/16 years old I worked at a Skoda dealer enough said I will be quiet now:monkey:

 

[RED-85-Z51]

In short, Dear Red, you're all over the place - but don't drop your panties over this.

I used the Echo when I got home to finish splitting.

I used a few tanks of gas...If I said 4-6 the night after doign the deed, then 4-6 it is. I dont devote these details to long term memory, it just isnt important enough.

The needle would have stayed in if Id put the limiter back on. I left it off for ease of tuning.

Not explosion craters, trucks had been in and out of that area for a while, lots of logs dragged around, small chunks of wood on the ground, hard to get a good footing, and roll logs around is all Im saying. Not like Im in the middle of a feild and this tree was dropped, and I went in and cut some limbs off, and it took a few hours...I WISH.

This was firewood hell.

 

[adkranger]

It never fails to amaze me that non-Stihl fans(AKA bashers) are convinced that sawyers that prefer Stihls are somehow hood-winked, indoctrinated or outright pushed into buying and using Stihl products. But somehow Husky/Jred/Dolmar buyers/users are so cutting edge, intelligent and independant minded consumers. It must be real difficult to live with such a huge chip on your shoulder to worry about what everyone else likes.

I own several brands/colors of saws, buy and use what I LIKE, not what anyone tells me to like. I do prefer my Stihls to anything else because they, and the Company, have served me well over the years. Nothing I have seen, read or used has, or will change my mind. Having said that, I believe Husqvarna/Johnsered makes excellent saws. Have used many and own a couple. Dolmar from what I've read makes excellent saws that very few have a chance to buy/use, me included(but I'd like to change that someday). I have used some very nice Shindaiwas and Echos in the past. I don't drink Kook-aid of any color, but if Stihl produced a nice Stout of the same quality as their saws I'd have a walk-in cooler dedicated to it's storage on my compound.

These threads are complete crap, other than the entertaining tidbits offered by the Great RED Sawyer and a few others.


:notrolls2: :deadhorse:

 

[reachtreeservi]

There are some good non STIHL saws out there.

But the desk I am sitting at, the computer I'm typing on and the chair I am sitting in at the desk and typing on the computer with were
all bought with the proceeds from wood cut with STIHL chainsaws.

I've had very good experiences with all the STIHL's that I've bought.

It could be said about them, literally, that they pay the rent...
And put the groceries on the table...

And the gas in the vehicles...
And so on, etc...

 

[windthrown]

Well said Reach. The Stihls here cut the firewood for the outdoor boiler, and keep the house warm (in lieu of $300 a month electric bills). And they keep the tree stands thined. Stands here are future MBF lumber money. And they keep the windthrow bucked, and thus the roads stay cleared. The Echo does some trimming in the orchards, and tidying up the slash.

Such is the dominating power of the Puppet Master Stihl!