Lawrence this is my Canadien, its a model 175 and its a good working saw at 89 cc `s, a bit on the noisy side though.
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Jerry the PM Canadien 270 that is on the way here does not look anything like you have described it has a black top and yellow body.Your red PM looks real nice.Sorry I just can not get the picture thing on the go right now to much on the go.Had to get brake work on my daughter's car today,up the street from the brake place there is a saw shop that I have never been in before.Start asking about Pioneer saws and the guy say's, "like that one" pointing to the rafters.Real nice IEL sitting on top of a beam.Awesome shape it was
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Jerry the PM Canadien 270 that is on the way here does not look anything like you have described it has a black top and yellow body.Your red PM looks real nice.Sorry I just can not get the picture thing on the go right now to much on the go.Had to get brake work on my daughter's car today,up the street from the brake place there is a saw shop that I have never been in before.Start asking about Pioneer saws and the guy say's, "like that one" pointing to the rafters.Real nice IEL sitting on top of a beam.Awesome shape it was
Lawrence
Some of the PM saws were different and I have seen a few of the 270`s around this neck of the woods and they looked like the ones I described. The 175 pictured above is different from other 175`s I have seen so you never know what you will find with them. There should be a quite a number of old IEL saws out your way as they were made close by. If you ever come across a IEL model J let me know as it is one saw that I would really like to have for my collection. How are you doing with the picture posting thing? My daughter, the BSC. of Computer Science graduate took time to set me up to be able to post but it took me a long time to get it down pat. LOL. Once everything is set up and you learn to navigate from one setup to another without losing your way it gets quite easy.
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My Goodness. Ever since I have joined AS in April, I have seen Makes of Chain Saws, and Models of Chain Saws that I knew that ever existed! I'm very Impressed with all the People here that have Broadened my Horizons on this Interesting Subject that I have grown to love and adore over the years. Thanks to all. Bruce.
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Jerry I just went to Mike Acres site and looked up the PM 270.The one pictured is cream and has a red top.Yet when you look at the saw stat sheet it say's, color scheme cream base with blue top-early models.So maybe the one I will be getting is a later version.I have purchase a nice parcel of smaller Pseries parts from a person you highly recommended when I first started with the chainsaw addiction,I think you know who I am talking about.It was a very good transaction and nice fellow to boot.Thanks for the connection to him! When I picked up the parcel it semed like I was back in time unwrapping a christmas gift,good memories
Jerry I just went to Mike Acres site and looked up the PM 270.The one pictured is cream and has a red top.Yet when you look at the saw stat sheet it say's, color scheme cream base with blue top-early models.So maybe the one I will be getting is a later version.I have purchase a nice parcel of smaller Pseries parts from a person you highly recommended when I first started with the chainsaw addiction,I think you know who I am talking about.It was a very good transaction and nice fellow to boot.Thanks for the connection to him! When I picked up the parcel it semed like I was back in time unwrapping a christmas gift,good memories
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I to am gaining a lot of knowledge from this web site.To think I just bumped into one day while surfing the web.It's great that you are enjoying it.I can say for myself, glad your on board and let's further enjoy the ride with this great crew! Everyone on this site has there favorite saws and I think that's great.Hope this Pioneer thread keeps afloat a long time.This message seems to have a nautical tone to it ,don't know how that happened.
Hi Bruce
I to am gaining a lot of knowledge from this web site.To think I just bumped into one day while surfing the web.It's great that you are enjoying it.I can say for myself, glad your on board and let's further enjoy the ride with this great crew! Everyone on this site has there favorite saws and I think that's great.Hope this Pioneer thread keeps afloat a long time.This message seems to have a nautical tone to it ,don't know how that happened.
Hope you can put those parts to use and maybe you can start a P series Pioneer saw collection, there seems to be a lot of the P series saws around and quite a bit of interest in them. Its too bad they lost their reputation around my small part of the country about the time that the P series saws came on the market. My last new Pioneer was the1450 that I got in 1966,and it was a very good saw for the first couple years,then after getting it serviced by the dealer it went hay wire and would not work worth a darn. It took me over a year to find out the problem with it. The dealer could not fix it and just wanted me to trade it in for a newer one but I am too stubborn sometimes and worked on it myself until I figured out the carb was set incorrectly for this saw. I just set it so it would work and left it at that. It was not until you sent me that manual on the Inject Aire settings that it all came together and the mystery was solved as to why the saw has different mixture settings than regular saws without the Inject Aire setup. Looking forward to seeing picts of the PM 270 and hearing how it runs or not. I also have some other connections to parts for the P series saws if you need more or other parts for them. Pioneerguy600
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Hello Again Jerry
That's really good news about the manual helping you out,I came upon that stuff on a real fluke out of Ontario.He is going to send me some pic's of the rest of the stuff he has left to sell.He is not on this website,not really into saws, stuff was left behind by the previous owner of his house.I will keep a look out for that IEL saw you would like to get.As you know this province is a big timber producer,major downturn now though.We had some gigantic old growth here,and still some more also,so those Pioneers must be hiding somewhere.Like you mentioned,in shed's, garages,barn's,back of some shop's.If I could I would hit all those forestry towns possible.Who knows what you could gather up.As far as those Pseries saws that I have I would certainly welcome more contact's. Thank's Jerry
Lawrence
Hello Again Jerry
That's really good news about the manual helping you out,I came upon that stuff on a real fluke out of Ontario.He is going to send me some pic's of the rest of the stuff he has left to sell.He is not on this website,not really into saws, stuff was left behind by the previous owner of his house.I will keep a look out for that IEL saw you would like to get.As you know this province is a big timber producer,major downturn now though.We had some gigantic old growth here,and still some more also,so those Pioneers must be hiding somewhere.Like you mentioned,in shed's, garages,barn's,back of some shop's.If I could I would hit all those forestry towns possible.Who knows what you could gather up.As far as those Pseries saws that I have I would certainly welcome more contact's. Thank's Jerry
Lawrence
I would say there should be some still lurking around somewhere, they were quite plentiful out on the Island in the 70`s. While out your way a couple summers back I had a look at what remains of the coastal forest from the border of Washington to Prince Rupert and then on out to the Island to revisit some of the places I had been during the early 70`s and the forest has changed a lot during those years. All the low land timber had been mostly cut and reforestation was in its mode with trees only starting out around 20-30 feet. There was still some big stuff out on the Pacific side but I did not get a good look out that way other than around Port Albernie Inlet .
Stanley Park was still awesome as it was just before the big storm that washed out the sea walls and knocked down a lot of the big trees that I walked around and across the park for two days ,its huge. Sorry to hear the Forestry industry is in a slump,its wide open around here as they are cutting every available stick for export, nothing stands a chance as they are selling all the hardwood for chips and softwood for pulp and lumber. Enough of this for now and keep us posted on the saw repairs.
Pioneerguy600
It was a rainy day here today so after repairing a few work related saws I took the old Titan saws out and ran them up just to start them once a month. This is the model 200 and I have a model Sportsman also but don`t have picts loaded for it yet. These things are heavvvy, all metal and talk about a full wrap handle up front. This saw has a flip front bar a 1/2" pitch chain and runs a gravity fed float type carb. This saw I use when teaching the young fellas about Vintage saws, its a 1948 Titan model 200 and can run around 35 lbs wet.
Pioneerguy600
This is my other Titan chainsaw ,its the Sportsman model and its hard to get an idea of its size but it is about 5 ' long and weighs 41 lbs. Gear drive at around 3 to 1 ratio and 69 cc engine built around 1952. The chain is 9/16" pitch and the bar is 30".
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Jerry.
This is my other Titan chainsaw ,its the Sportsman model and its hard to get an idea of its size but it is about 5 ' long and weighs 41 lbs. Gear drive at around 3 to 1 ratio and 69 cc engine built around 1952. The chain is 9/16" pitch and the bar is 30".
Pioneerguy600
Wow! When I first saw this Chain Saw, as it popped up on the screen, Almost Scared The Crap Out Of Me. I was not expecting to see a Picture.
I saw that you where the last to post here on this thread, from the list of options, so I thought I'd see what you had to saw. Different looking Saw as well. Does the Bar rotate on this saw? Bruce.
Yes the bar does rotate and it is accomplished by lifting the lever just behind the front handle, the almost round ,nearly full wrap handle between the engine and the geardrive unit. The next time I take them out to cut I will take more picts with the bar rotated. The Sportsman currently is having a pull cable and knob/ handle made for it and the muffler is also being rebuilt for it. The 200 is in good running order and I take it out often to make a couple of cuts with it.
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Not a saw but a nice item.
A friend is doing an estate and came across 5 of these, gave one to me.
Not a saw but a nice item.
A friend is doing an estate and came across 5 of these, gave one to me.
Very nice piece of Pioneer Hardware!
Pioneerguy600
Not a saw but a nice item.
A friend is doing an estate and came across 5 of these, gave one to me.
You should try and get one for Jerry for posting all these pictures .
I think he deserves one .WesternSaw
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Well today I went across the Fraser river to Surrey and picked up a new in the bag Pioneer flywheel puller.Got home and the first thing I did was try it out.Threaded the the screws in to the flywheel,tightened the screw that sits in the little hollow in the crankshaft end and it popped right off.Man that is quite the little tool.It cost me $20.00.I also picked up a NOS plastic air filter cover for a Pioneer 2071 $9.50.The two older fellas I was talking to were great guy's, really like the old Pioneers, they sold them new many years ago.Jerry I will be making a trip to see Mike Acres soon.I guess my next tool will be a, what do you think for taking apart old Pioneers? Do I need a bearing puller or seal puller?I am not even sure what they look like.Wait a minute didn't you post a pic of a puller with your impact wrench?Do I need one to pull apart machines.Anyway Thanks to you guy's I have pulled my first ever flywheel.The support you have given me so far has sent me going in the right direction.Thanks again esp.Jerry and Brendon.Hope your support will be there for me later.
Lawrence
Hi Pioneer Fans
Well today I went across the Fraser river to Surrey and picked up a new in the bag Pioneer flywheel puller.Got home and the first thing I did was try it out.Threaded the the screws in to the flywheel,tightened the screw that sits in the little hollow in the crankshaft end and it popped right off.Man that is quite the little tool.It cost me $20.00.I also picked up a NOS plastic air filter cover for a Pioneer 2071 $9.50.The two older fellas I was talking to were great guy's, really like the old Pioneers, they sold them new many years ago.Jerry I will be making a trip to see Mike Acres soon.I guess my next tool will be a, what do you think for taking apart old Pioneers? Do I need a bearing puller or seal puller?I am not even sure what they look like.Wait a minute didn't you post a pic of a puller with your impact wrench?Do I need one to pull apart machines.Anyway Thanks to you guy's I have pulled my first ever flywheel.The support you have given me so far has sent me going in the right direction.Thanks again esp.Jerry and Brendon.Hope your support will be there for me later.
Lawrence
That is quite a find,an original flywheel puller,good stuff.! A bearing puller is very handy and I use mine more than a seal puller as I usually replace bearings and seals at the same time, and have been able to pull seals with a variety of other tools instead of a brand specific seal puller. The impact driver has taken on almost every twisting type job in the shop, its not the biggest ,battery voltage that is but it delivers more than enough torque and impact to remove flywheel and clutch nuts on chainsaws. It runs bolts, screws and drills with twist bits, also have a couple battery drills for outright drilling but the two impact drivers really are the most handy tools. The picts of the bearing puller is actually pulling a bearing from an Stihl 044 that I am rebuilding currently. Your first flywheel pull under your belt and now you are on your way to becoming an old hand at engine repair. Ask all the questions you like and myself and others will chime in with assistance to get you through most any thing you encounter.
Let us know and post us some picts if you can if you get to see the Mike Acres Museum. The next time I am out your way it will be a top priority on my list of things to see.
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Okay You asked for it!
Okay so my plan is to strip this old P20 down, learn all about the different components and if it looks good inside put it back together and see if it will run.This is the saw my neighbor found at the steel dump, there is a little piece of broken magnesium near the end of the handle just cosmetic so I will use this as my first work piece.I would rather start with this one learn the in's and out's on it.So the flywheel is off,and I saved the key it is in perfect shape.I have taken out all the screws around the case out.Taken the screws out that are around the points condenser area.The bar chain and cover for the sprocket are off.Two big screws from the plastic carburetor base are out,but the carburetor will not come out of it's little area because the choke knob is holding it in there and maybe something else besides the fuel line.How does that choke knob come off, it's bent around the linkage of the choke.The black plastic choke knob has a wire that comes out of it and that is attached to the for mentioned linkage.After I figure out how to take the carb out will the cylinder come off once the cylinder base bolts are out?It seems pretty tight on there.When can I start to try and split the case in half.Will I need these other pullers to finish the job?Sorry for the jumping around on this, many thoughts are bouncing around in my head, just want to try and accomplish this with out breaking any thing,or twisting things when they should not be twisted.
Thanks For Listening well reading
Okay You asked for it!
Okay so my plan is to strip this old P20 down, learn all about the different components and if it looks good inside put it back together and see if it will run.This is the saw my neighbor found at the steel dump, there is a little piece of broken magnesium near the end of the handle just cosmetic so I will use this as my first work piece.I would rather start with this one learn the in's and out's on it.So the flywheel is off,and I saved the key it is in perfect shape.I have taken out all the screws around the case out.Taken the screws out that are around the points condenser area.The bar chain and cover for the sprocket are off.Two big screws from the plastic carburetor base are out,but the carburetor will not come out of it's little area because the choke knob is holding it in there and maybe something else besides the fuel line.How does that choke knob come off, it's bent around the linkage of the choke.The black plastic choke knob has a wire that comes out of it and that is attached to the for mentioned linkage.After I figure out how to take the carb out will the cylinder come off once the cylinder base bolts are out?It seems pretty tight on there.When can I start to try and split the case in half.Will I need these other pullers to finish the job?Sorry for the jumping around on this, many thoughts are bouncing around in my head, just want to try and accomplish this with out breaking any thing,or twisting things when they should not be twisted.
Thanks For Listening well reading
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