smallest safe trunk diameter for spiking

[ropensaddle]

Right now I'm laid off from workin heat treat in a machine shop, I've been cuttin firewood to pay the truck insurance and buy food. After working in foundries, recycling, machine shops etc since I got out of HS, even doing groundwork would be a pretty sweet job compared to what I'm used to. Getting paid to be outside and get some exercise sounds pretty decent to me.
Right now I'd take about whatever opportunity that comes my way honestly. The military will probably be next if I can't find something decent in the next few months.

William get in your phone book call all the reputable company's you know of
in the tree bus and go to work, it should not be too hard! They should pay
you well, maybe not at first but if you got the goodies you will do pretty
good. Make sure the climber's saw is full and pre warmed when
you send it to him and that you have everything ready to tie
off to him. He will be impressed if he does not have to yell all
the time to get attention. It only takes a second to glance every so often to see if he needs something! The rest is just working
the chipper always check the oil water he will notice that you
are concerned but pick the right time to do it like first thing in the AM. I will bet if he hired you and you came to work your first
day and went straight to the chipper checked the oil while he was finishing coffee he would see he has a winner immediately.
Remember crackheads don't do this and he is used to having
many of them if he see's one that ain't he will want to keep ya

 

[willsaw4beer]

William get in your phone book call all the reputable company's you know of
in the tree bus and go to work, it should not be too hard! They should pay
you well, maybe not at first but if you got the goodies you will do pretty
good. Make sure the climber's saw is full and pre warmed when
you send it to him and that you have everything ready to tie
off to him. He will be impressed if he does not have to yell all
the time to get attention. It only takes a second to glance every so often to see if he needs something! The rest is just working
the chipper always check the oil water he will notice that you
are concerned but pick the right time to do it like first thing in the AM. I will bet if he hired you and you came to work your first
day and went straight to the chipper checked the oil while he was finishing coffee he would see he has a winner immediately.
Remember crackheads don't do this and he is used to having
many of them if he see's one that ain't he will want to keep ya

Thanks for the tips, I've been kickin the idea around of getting into treework but always had the steady job until the depression hit. At this point I really have nothing to lose, so I'll definately give it a shot, thanks again for the advice.

 

[1savagehunter]

Wish I lived closer

Hey rope if I lived anywhere close to you I'd be banging on your door for a job. Your advice was very good and honest. Seen you answering many guy's questions ... you rockn:

 

[1savagehunter]

Good luck

All the best W-Saw ... let us know how your job search goes. As they say ... this can't last forever but while it is ... get'er done !!!!

 

[treemandan]

William get in your phone book call all the reputable company's you know of
in the tree bus and go to work, it should not be too hard! They should pay
you well, maybe not at first but if you got the goodies you will do pretty
good. Make sure the climber's saw is full and pre warmed when
you send it to him and that you have everything ready to tie
off to him. He will be impressed if he does not have to yell all
the time to get attention. It only takes a second to glance every so often to see if he needs something! The rest is just working
the chipper always check the oil water he will notice that you
are concerned but pick the right time to do it like first thing in the AM. I will bet if he hired you and you came to work your first
day and went straight to the chipper checked the oil while he was finishing coffee he would see he has a winner immediately.
Remember crackheads don't do this and he is used to having
many of them if he see's one that ain't he will want to keep ya

jeez, maybe the guy could just follow you around the tree and start your saw for ya when ya needed it. Or maybe just use another brand of saw that starts with no fuss.
I get a kick outta messing with the old heads rather the nfg's. ANd seriously if you went to the phone book and dialed the number to the first 3 big companies you would get 9.50 and sent off to ( or for) slaughter probably next to 3 mexicans.
I think that move is to be taken by hammer-heads like me who know how to take it cause they know how to give it.
I would say a smaller owner/op would be much better, you have to watch though, some are really something. But for someone who wants to learn this stuff DIVERSITY is key to a quicker education. If you get one guy telling you this is how you do it it kinda limits you, big time.
ANd honestly the best thing to do is take the basics you have learned and apply them by yourself, alone. This will save your life when you find yourself in the midst of a loud smokey war zone and you forgetting how to do something really important really fast... No I mean really important and really fast.
I would love to head off to Arbormaster myself and have always thought of doing so. Sure to learn something but it was never feasible for me.
I applaud any who attempt this work in a seriousness nature but you is gonna have to drag some brush.

 

[ropensaddle]

jeez, maybe the guy could just follow you around the tree and start your saw for ya when ya needed it. Or maybe just use another brand of saw that starts with no fuss.
I get a kick outta messing with the old heads rather the nfg's. ANd seriously if you went to the phone book and dialed the number to the first 3 big companies you would get 9.50 and sent off to ( or for) slaughter probably next to 3 mexicans.
I think that move is to be taken by hammer-heads like me who know how to take it cause they know how to give it.
I would say a smaller owner/op would be much better, you have to watch though, some are really something. But for someone who wants to learn this stuff DIVERSITY is key to a quicker education. If you get one guy telling you this is how you do it it kinda limits you, big time.
ANd honestly the best thing to do is take the basics you have learned and apply them by yourself, alone. This will save your life when you find yourself in the midst of a loud smokey war zone and you forgetting how to do something really important really fast... No I mean really important and really fast.
I would love to head off to Arbormaster myself and have always thought of doing so. Sure to learn something but it was never feasible for me.
I applaud any who attempt this work in a seriousness nature but you is gonna have to drag some brush.

The Dan is again I see lol. I said nothing about following anybody around the tree Dan you did. I was referring to someone that has his head in the game will prosper. I did not tell him any company I said reputable ones I don't know the reputable ones in his area but yes many times a small operator is just that and will appreciate the things I mentioned, someone that assists and cooperates is bound to be worth more than a showboat that has his head up his rectum. 9.50 may be ok for this fellow too we don't know what his expectations are but I agree with you check them out know their safety record do some home work and follow your feelings Dan lol!

PS I gave the feller credit for knowing he would have to drag
brush because his post were down to earth. I assumed he would
know that much and tried to explain some finer things of a job
site. I also said reputable companies which would mean safety orientated ones and feel they could teach much better on site
than I can with a typewriter!

 

[willsaw4beer]

jeez, maybe the guy could just follow you around the tree and start your saw for ya when ya needed it. Or maybe just use another brand of saw that starts with no fuss.
I get a kick outta messing with the old heads rather the nfg's. ANd seriously if you went to the phone book and dialed the number to the first 3 big companies you would get 9.50 and sent off to ( or for) slaughter probably next to 3 mexicans.
I think that move is to be taken by hammer-heads like me who know how to take it cause they know how to give it.
I would say a smaller owner/op would be much better but for someone who wants to learn this stuff DIVERSITY is key to a quicker education. If you get one guy telling you this is how you do it it kinda limits you, big time.
ANd honestly the best thing to do is take the basics you have learned and apply them by yourself, alone. This will save your life when you find yourself in the midst of a loud smokey war zone and you forgetting how to do something really important really fast... No I mean really important and really fast.
I would love to head off to Arbormaster myself and have always thought of doing so. Sure to learn something but it was never feasible for me.
I applaud any who attempt this work in a seriousness nature.

I've always preferred working for a small business, the people are normally cooler and I've found you get appreciated more bustin @ss for a small co. than a big one. Plus like you said, it's more of a challenge and you end up doing/learning more.
Realistically, my career is heat treater/ machinist, but at this point a job to get me through till the economy picks up is good enough for me. And as far as I'm concerned any skills that I can learn that give me something to fall back on or that I can use in everyday life are definately worth learning.
Once again, I appreciate your advice.

 

[treemandan]

I see yor up. Just a poke, meant nothing about getting your saw warmed up but if you used a Stihl you wouldn't have to bother the groundy with getting it started. See? meant nothing.

I did want to remark on how it is my way if you know what I mean. Call any one in the book and tell em you will show up for work, if you don't know nothing you might as well be meat on a stick OR make someone else so.

 

[ropensaddle]

I see yor up. Just a poke, meant nothing about getting your saw warmed up but if you used a Stihl you wouldn't have to bother the groundy with getting it started. See? meant nothing.

I did want to remark on how it is my way if you know what I mean. Call any one in the book and tell em you will show up for work, if you don't know nothing you might as well be meat on a stick OR make someone else so.

Hey Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan I use a Ms200t I still
like it warm buddy. I meant to stress filled because I have had them walk
five minutes around the house get a saw come back empty wtf


The Dan abides lol do not tell them you don't know anything say you have
a little experiance with a chainsaw and read on as about the job and such.

 

[willsaw4beer]

More or less I would assume I'd have to work for less than the $12 to $15 I've gotten used to over the last couple of years on account of switching from a trade I have alot of experience in to one that I have little to no exp. Although I would think treework would offer the possibility of free wood for firewood to heat the house with and maybe sell a bit on the side, etc.

 

[ropensaddle]

More or less I would assume I'd have to work for less than the $12 to $15 I've gotten used to over the last couple of years on account of switching from a trade I have alot of experience in to one that I have little to no exp. Although I would think treework would offer the possibility of free wood for firewood to heat the house with and maybe sell a bit on the side, etc.

There are opportunities for a guy and if you found a good safe small operator and did not mind busting it some 12 would not be out of the question. Firewood would depend on the operator with me I use a grapple truck but on small jobs it would be free pickup imo if you wanted to get it after work would be no problem but I would call the home owner to make sure it was all gone when you said it would be!

 

[treemandan]

Oh see? I never knew that about you. I thought you were one of those husky purist. Personally I like them both, husky seems lighter.
I was up and did want to rile ya a llittle, I'm sorry. I have to pick someone up from the airport soon, trying to stay awake
I was gonna say I saw another new company riding in town today with a truck full of mexicans. I don't know where they learned to do tree work but that's what it looks like they are going to do. I could go work there if I wanted. Trust me when I say that you would like that:chainsawguy:
There is this kid ( 25) down the road who spent a few months at a big co so now he says he's looking to get clients and hire mexies cauase that's what they all do. I told him to scram when he came by looking for work, he sucked anyway. I don't know how he made it when he told me where he worked I looked at him oddly and said " and your still here?"
Anyone to survive would have to be mexican or a crackhead to want to keep it up. You run into a good sub here and there but most... its just a crap job they hate.
I have to say all The Dan wanted to do was tree work but them m and f'ers are killing it for him, me too.

 

[ropensaddle]

Oh see? I never knew that about you. I thought you were one of those husky purist. Personally I like them both, husky seems lighter.
I was up and did want to rile ya a llittle, I'm sorry. I have to pick someone up from the airport soon, trying to stay awake
I was gonna say I saw another new company riding in town today with a truck full of mexicans. I don't know where they learned to do tree work but that's what it looks like they are going to do. I could go work there if I wanted. Trust me when I say that you would like that:chainsawguy:
There is this kid ( 25) down the road who spent a few months at a big co so now he says he's looking to get clients and hire mexies cauase that's what they all do. I told him to scram when he came by looking for work, he sucked anyway. I don't know how he made it when he told me where he worked I looked at him oddly and said " and your still here?"
Anyone to survive would have to be mexican or a crackhead to want to keep it up. You run into a good sub here and there but most... its just a crap job they hate.
I have to say all The Dan wanted to do was tree work but them m and f'ers are killing it for him, me too.

Dan buddy I am getting too old to get riled too much so pick away pard:monkey: I agree the mexies are taking the f over and we need to
stand up or we will go down I have been saying it all along. I applied for
a supervisor job and on the attributes they asked if I knew espanwetback.
This was a large company we are sold down the river friend without a
paddle. I told the interviewer I knew underlay and then smiled and said
thats all you want me to say anyway right I want to start a
coalition for the ridding of illegal and unethical employers and workers

 

[treemandan]

Dan buddy I am getting too old to get riled too much so pick away pard:monkey: I agree the mexies are taking the f over and we need to
stand up or we will go down I have been saying it all along. I applied for
a supervisor job and on the attributes they asked if I knew espanwetback.
This was a large company we are sold down the river friend without a
paddle. I told the interviewer I knew underlay and then smiled and said
thats all you want me to say anyway right I want to start a
coalition for the ridding of illegal and unethical employers and workers

So you can see how working at a tree co might not be the best place to learn? I was lucky I worked with drunks, druggies and convicts for years before I knew what a mexican was. I might have heard stories about them but I was to busy working to pay attention. I kinda wish I had though.
But yeah, I can call any one of these guys and they would love it. I could make better money too. also beleive me when I say they do put up with me, very well . I hope it lasts. I doubt it though. My 3 year old knows more spanish than I do and I personally see all men the same.
Sometimes I think when its said " The government is screwing us by letting em in" I think " No they are not, they are letting you have laborers" And you know that is what it used to take to be an American, you labored for it and with your life.

But The Dan is nuetral, he just does it and he does it just cause he wants to.

 

[ropensaddle]

Bythe way for the ones wondering what modulous of rupture is; it is a term
used to define the different breaking strengths of green wood. Usually a six
inch limb is sujected to a hydraulic ram with a pressure gauge to measure
the foot pounds force to determine differences in different species of wood.
Have I ever looked at the charts not really because I had already climbed
ten years before seeing them so already knew their strengths.

 

[ropensaddle]

So you can see how working at a tree co might not be the best place to learn? I was lucky I worked with drunks, druggies and convicts for years before I knew what a mexican was. I might have heard stories about them but I was to busy working to pay attention. I kinda wish I had though.
But yeah, I can call any one of these guys and they would love it. I could make better money too. also beleive me when I say they do put up with me, very well . I hope it lasts. I doubt it though. My 3 year old knows more spanish than I do and I personally see all men the same.
Sometimes I think when its said " The government is screwing us by letting em in" I think " No they are not, they are letting you have laborers" And you know that is what it used to take to be an American, you labored for it and with your life.

But The Dan is nuetral, he just does it and he does it just cause he wants to.

Yeah there was a lot of labor at the Alamo all in vein I suppose, it is
a shame when so many of our youth are going to need work like William
and be sold out by our leaders. Oh well viva la revolution ehhhhh

 

[treemandan]

Bythe way for the ones wondering what modulous of rupture is; it is a term
used to define the different breaking strengths of green wood. Usually a six
inch limb is sujected to a hydraulic ram with a pressure gauge to measure
the foot pounds force to determine differences in different species of wood.
Have I ever looked at the charts not really because I had already climbed
ten years before seeing them so already knew their strengths.

I was wondering actually.It does take considerable time to get your chops up on that modulous of rupture. Just saying it is kinda tough.

 

[ropensaddle]

I was wondering actually.It does take considerable time to get your chops up on that modulous of rupture. Just saying it is kinda tough.

It takes maybe two seconds when you hear snap to learn the reasoning

 

[treeslayer]

only took one page for this thread to get good.

Somebody please tell the DAN that the SLAYER likes groundies, and respects them and the job they do. When I am not in the tree, I'm a groundie. I'll drag, feed, rake, whatever needs to be done to get to the next job.

I'll go to work sometimes AS a groundman helping out on big jobs, cause any work is better than no work, on some days. on others, I just like to work with trees.

And I make ground work look real easy.

Plus, I like to roll up other peoples ropes. :check:
yes, it was ME.

 

[ropensaddle]

only took one page for this thread to get good.

Somebody please tell the DAN that the SLAYER likes groundies, and respects them and the job they do. When I am not in the tree, I'm a groundie. I'll drag, feed, rake, whatever needs to be done to get to the next job.

I'll go to work sometimes AS a groundman helping out on big jobs, cause any work is better than no work, on some days. on others, I just like to work with trees.

And I make ground work look real easy.

Plus, I like to roll up other peoples ropes. :check:
yes, it was ME.

You leave my rope alone, no touch it,no breaky ya face got it tough guy