tree butchers LLC

[limbwalker54]

Monkeyman, keep the faith. Thanks for the support.

 

[talloak]

I agree but the shame of things is that people and there property make alot of our decisions if everyone was practicing proper arborculture this vwould not be an issue but thanks to guys with no pride we have to deal with it.

 

[MonkeyMan_812]

Lets see, one CORRECT pruning job for 1500 or two incorrect ones for 400.....I think I'll take care to make the right limbs go for the right reasons, make the right cuts (yes we ALL make mistakes on a few cuts here and there, human error), and not have to move the truck to the next job and waste all of that fuel for the el cheapo "cut here" job.

I have a passion for arboriculture. I study arboriculture. I enjoy learning more about it everyday, and I feel that by definition - An Arborist is a "professional who possesses the technical competence gained through experience and related training to provide for or supervise the management of trees and other woody plants in residential, commercial, and public landscapes. (From the ISA)"
Think of us as Tree Physicians.

So yes, when we arborists go to the effort to make the right decisions and charge a fair price and a bunch of hacks go around an just "cut stuff", I get a little annoyed because they present something that is INCORRECT to the public, which can train the public eye for the wrong idea of tree care.

 

[Henry111]

with out pride in our work pal, we all would be the uneducated fools that most people still think we are. RIGHT?

 

[limbwalker54]

I will continue to walk away from the jobs that ask me to do something that is of incorrect judgement or inferior quality. And I will continue to do so knowing that not every client was meant to be my client.

 

[JTinaTree]

Murphy, those tree's look good compared to what's done in my small town.. I saw a GOON last year towing a rent-a-lift behind his pickup.. This guy cut a Mature Willow Oak down to like 25ft, It pisses me off every time i ride by it..

I had to restrain myself from knocking on the homeowners door and asking them if they Paid Money for him to destroy there Oak Tree..

 

[limbwalker54]

Thanks again Monkeyman!

 

[limbwalker54]

I'm going to sleep. Goodnight and hope to read some more on this thread tomorrow evening.

 

[Rftreeman]

If you have a problem with "ARBORISTS" mabey you need to post your comments somewhere else. Its people like you that give Tree Workers a bad name. Do you even care about trees or are you just in it for a quick dollar? Sounds to me that you know very little about arboriculture or even care about it. You sound like you worked for Asplund doing line clearance where it doesnt matter what kind of job you do on the tree, just cut as many as you can in a day and move on down the road.

You better get to know me before you try to act like you do, you have no clue and yes I did work for Asplundh & Davey for that matter and we made proper cuts, you might not like the end results but it was done right.......

As for type of job I do, I do what I'm getting paid to do and do it well and if it isn't right in your book so be it, I'll sleep just as good night and I'm always looking for the quick dollar, who isn't..........


As for caring about trees I don't care about them as much as you do & probably never will, it's kind of like PETA & animals, people like you are the PETA of trees.

arboriculture: nope, never studied the subject and probably never will.

But it all doesn't matter much to me, 95% of my work is removals of dangerous trees.......

 

[clearance]

If you have a problem with "ARBORISTS" mabey you need to post your comments somewhere else. Its people like you that give Tree Workers a bad name. Do you even care about trees or are you just in it for a quick dollar? Sounds to me that you know very little about arboriculture or even care about it. You sound like you worked for Asplund doing line clearance where it doesnt matter what kind of job you do on the tree, just cut as many as you can in a day and move on down the road.

I worked for Asplundh and made proper cuts, all the time. How quick some are to badmouth the most important treeworkers of all, the utility guys. A dangerous task, in which it is impossible to please everyone. "Why don't you just bury those powerlines....."
"'cause the shovel is broken....."

Rf made, as he usually does, a very true comment. The customer got what they wanted, end of story.

 

[talloak]

You know i started at aspluhdh i even know how to spell it and they keep people with elactric so there doing there job .Now i own my own tree care service and have worked for good proper tree companies but give a line clearence contract and you wont know any difference in the trimming so amen to brother i love what i do put if it didnt pay the bills i wouldnt be doing it:greenchainsaw:

 

[Rftreeman]

I worked for Asplundh and made proper cuts, all the time. How quick some are to badmouth the most important treeworkers of all, the utility guys. A dangerous task, in which it is impossible to please everyone. "Why don't you just bury those powerlines....."
"'cause the shovel is broken....."

Rf made, as he usually does, a very true comment. The customer got what they wanted, end of story.

Now you know we's just some old dumb redneck utility hacks............lol

I got a big red rep point for my honest post.......

 

[tree md]

opcorn:

 

[murphy4trees]

i miss the good old days

I've been a member on this site since 2002... does anyone remember the days when guys that posted comments like "what's wrong with that" or "give the customer what they want and cash the check", would have been run off, chewed up and spit out in 15 minutes?... That kind of attitude wasn't tolerated and no one would buck the group conscensus and want to come back for more... This thread is a true testement to just how low the level of awareness and competency at this site has become...

Now I know the company that pruned these maples and I just had to try to "fix" a beatiful 40"+ dbh red oak that they lion's tailed. When I used the term "lions tail", the customer said "that's a self explanatory description", looking up at the tree. She was a teacher in medical school, highly educated and vowed to write them a strong letter and tell all her neighbors. She didn't ask for her tree to be butchered. That is just what they do.

I lost a job to him in my own neighborhood a couple years ago... mostly backyard removals and pruning one large chinese elm. Now I was looking at the elm and planning routes through the entire canopy planning on lightening every large limb on the tree. They ended up making flush cuts to elevate the thing to 45' and NO OTHER CUT on the tree. Same as those maples... They elevated the trees and made no other cut in the tree.

And check out this pics. Those are all flush cuts, every single cut violating the branch protection zone, which will without a doubt eventually lead to complete decay of the existing wood. The tree will become unsafe and either fail or need to be removed pre-maturely. SO yes they killed the tree. It's just gonna take 20 years!

Now I didn't bid on this job, I was just driving by in the neighborhood as they were finishing up. And they put their lawn sign on the street. I put it under the tree. There were at least three removals in the backyard. He's a removal guy. He should stick to that or learn how to prune a tree. And so should you.

 

[Slvrmple72]

Except for the utility fellas no one is forcing you to cut the tree. If you and the customer cannot reach an agreement then move on. When you see a tree that has been maligned keep note of it. Showing customers their options and the later results by example can do a lot more than the technical jargon.

I think Don Blair would say this sounds like an Oak man Euc man thread!LOL!

 

[tree md]

I have been around for a minute too. I kind of miss the days when someone asked a straight forward question like "why not do that" or "why is that wrong" and would get a straight forward answer without being belittled and the thread digressing into a free for all.

Just my .02

 

[Henry111]

i know what your talking about man, its hard to swallow when my price for pruning gets cut in half and i ride by
later to see bad workmanship. And the HO thinks they got a deal, the same work for less money. its nice to know there is other arborist out there who know my pain.

 

[Slvrmple72]

Choices are simple but difficult. Salesmanship is critical, so are references from customers pleased with proper workmanship. You can offer quality work at a competitive price to run the hacks off of your turf, even questioning them when they are at work ruining a tree, and in some areas around the country laws are in place to stop these individuals. I enjoy talking to people and getting them to explain why they do things and/or their reasoning. Customers too, what they want, what is good for the tree, the way the tree will look several years later. Pictures are worth a thousand words. When I show customers pictures of topped trees after several years they see the good, the bad, and the ugly. It saves a lot of talking.

 

[clearance]

I've been a member on this site since 2002... does anyone remember the days when guys that posted comments like "what's wrong with that" or "give the customer what they want and cash the check", would have been run off, chewed up and spit out in 15 minutes?... That kind of attitude wasn't tolerated and no one would buck the group conscensus and want to come back for more... This thread is a true testement to just how low the level of awareness and competency at this site has become...

I have been a member of this site since 2005, I remember those days as well. When the ISA was held on a pedestal, and could do no wrong, nor could anyone question thier edicts or teachings. When bad mouthing utility guys was common, and went without question. When guys who had never worked around power would speak far outside thier area of expertise.


I came here, was blunt, rude and straight to the point, but told it like it was at all times. I had it out with people, Tom Dunlap included. The ISA and some who fly its flag have taken some well deserved correction. Quite a few times. And now many stick up for utility guys, something that was rare before. I could have been more diplomatic, more bees with honey and all that. Now I have become more forgiving, less arguementative. Each to his own, live and let live.

 

[Slvrmple72]

I would have a beer wit ya Clearance!