My 359 rules

[blsnelling]

Brad, get to work! You have 45 tanks worth of wood to cut before you can do a comparison for us.

*snaps fingers* Chop chop Brad!!

LOL. And I thought I was already busy!

 

[blsnelling]

I see you got your hands on another 361 quick. And brand new too? Another port job?

Yup. For the same guy that just had me pick him up a BN 460 two weeks ago! The warranties last for about 60 seconds of run time, lol.

 

[joatmon]

Now that is the kind of contest it takes balls to get into! Pardon the pun! LMAO

MWC,

Think she'll ask "how many tanks ya got through that thing ole fellow"?

joat

 

[woodyman]

I'm sorry, but I can't see a 359 being 20%-30% faster than a 361. The time differences are too big to be believable.

You need to have both saws tuned by the same person right before the test. Then you MUST use the same chain. I also recommend that you make cuts with both light, normal, and heavy loads. The wood must be consistent in diameter and in the same log. The operator must not use the spikes to lever the saw through the cut. A video will be a must as well. You can't just throw numbers on the board like this and expect people to believe it.

:agree2:I have the 359 and my brother has the 361.Before I had mine ported we did some cuts and I kept up with him but I had full comp and he was running safety chain both 16" bars.Mine kicks his butt now thanks to Brad.

 

[SawTroll]

Brad, get to work! You have 45 tanks worth of wood to cut before you can do a comparison for us.

:agree2:

 

[blsnelling]

Actually, I would love to get out of this cold basement, where I have my office, and do some real work. I work from home telecommuting on a project in Orlando. I'd love to go out and cut some wood!

 

[Fastcast]

I think you need at least 15 tanks on most of those (not the 360) before doing a serious comparison!

I called Brad out before on that, when he tested the little 401 Dolmar.....I think he had like a tank and a half through it and claimed it was as broke in as it was going to get.....My 401 definitely started to come around after 8-10 tanks and really came to life after the muffler mod!

Oh well....Back to the original argument....opcorn:

 

[blsnelling]

I called Brad out before on that, when he tested the little 401 Dolmar.....I think he had like a tank and a half through it and claimed it was as broke in as it was going to get.....My 401 definitely started to come around after 8-10 tanks and really came to life after the muffler mod!

Oh well....Back to the original argument....opcorn:

I can't disagree with you. Like I said, the test would be less than perfect. I not going to have time to do it anyway.

 

[huskystihl]

Whats the hp on a 5100 vs a 361 vs a 359? If i'm not mistaken a 359 is the least powerful.

 

[Motodeficient]

5100 and 359 both rated at 3.9, 361 rated at 4.4

 

[sbhooper]

Like was stated before, unless you use a robot, no test is perfect. I am sorry that I insulted so many people by having a Husky beat a Stihl TWICE, but I also stated that I have no preference as I like them both. The chains WILL NOT INTERCHANGE AS THE GAUGE IS DIFFERENT as most of the EXPERTS should already know. The chains were the same pitch, age and make.

I apologize for having so few posts and assuming that my opinion and personal results may be interesting to someone else. This was by no means a scientific test, but just personal results and I stated it as such.

It would be pretty rediculous to have to change the way I cut a tree just so that one saw would perform better than another-INCREDIBLE! If that has to happen, then I guess that the one saw is just going to be lacking the flexibility to fit my STYLE. I do not run race saws and so I couldn't give a rat's azz about my STYLE. Every tree that I have cut has hit the ground-SIMPLY AMAZING!! The Stihl and the Husky have both cut through every tree that I wanted them to-SIMPLY AMAZING!

I will not bother anyone with more of my trivial, highly biased results again as I do not want someone to have heart failure because one saw beat another.

I will leave the tests to all the self-proclaimed experts since this forum obviously is not for the ignorant uninformed like myself.

 

[THALL10326]

Like was stated before, unless you use a robot, no test is perfect. I am sorry that I insulted so many people by having a Husky beat a Stihl TWICE, but I also stated that I have no preference as I like them both. The chains WILL NOT INTERCHANGE AS THE GAUGE IS DIFFERENT as most of the EXPERTS should already know. The chains were the same pitch, age and make.

I apologize for having so few posts and assuming that my opinion and personal results may be interesting to someone else. This was by no means a scientific test, but just personal results and I stated it as such.

It would be pretty rediculous to have to change the way I cut a tree just so that one saw would perform better than another-INCREDIBLE! If that has to happen, then I guess that the one saw is just going to be lacking the flexibility to fit my STYLE. I do not run race saws and so I couldn't give a rat's azz about my STYLE. Every tree that I have cut has hit the ground-SIMPLY AMAZING!! The Stihl and the Husky have both cut through every tree that I wanted them to-SIMPLY AMAZING!

I will not bother anyone with more of my trivial, highly biased results again as I do not want someone to have heart failure because one saw beat another.

I will leave the tests to all the self-proclaimed experts since this forum obviously is not for the ignorant uninformed like myself.

Well thats a helluva howdy dootie. Why did you start this thread anyway? Your 359 Rules, ok, so what, what was the point you was trying to make?

 

[Zombiechopper]

You know, I don't get the impression that the fuss was about a Husky beating a Stihl. It was and is a question of adequate procedure to perform a meaningful test. You have to eliminate variables in order to have a scientific result. That's what most people have been pointing out as being flawed. Accurate data is the only way to scientifically compare the performance of two similar machines. Don't take it so personally. We are criticizing a testing procedure, not attacking you personally.

 

[woodyman]

You know, I don't get the impression that the fuss was about a Husky beating a Stihl. It was and is a question of adequate procedure to perform a meaningful test. You have to eliminate variables in order to have a scientific result. That's what most people have been pointing out as being flawed. Accurate data is the only way to scientifically compare the performance of two similar machines. Don't take it so personally. We are criticizing a testing procedure, not attacking you personally.

Not attacking you at all either and I think half was testing and half was a 361 getting it's azz handed to it by a 359.Sure would like to see a vid of that.

 

[mowoodchopper]

Is this gonna be another crappy stihl cyl thread!!

 

[HuskyPete]

Like was stated before, unless you use a robot, no test is perfect. I am sorry that I insulted so many people by having a Husky beat a Stihl TWICE, but I also stated that I have no preference as I like them both. The chains WILL NOT INTERCHANGE AS THE GAUGE IS DIFFERENT as most of the EXPERTS should already know. The chains were the same pitch, age and make.

I apologize for having so few posts and assuming that my opinion and personal results may be interesting to someone else. This was by no means a scientific test, but just personal results and I stated it as such.

It would be pretty rediculous to have to change the way I cut a tree just so that one saw would perform better than another-INCREDIBLE! If that has to happen, then I guess that the one saw is just going to be lacking the flexibility to fit my STYLE. I do not run race saws and so I couldn't give a rat's azz about my STYLE. Every tree that I have cut has hit the ground-SIMPLY AMAZING!! The Stihl and the Husky have both cut through every tree that I wanted them to-SIMPLY AMAZING!

I will not bother anyone with more of my trivial, highly biased results again as I do not want someone to have heart failure because one saw beat another.

I will leave the tests to all the self-proclaimed experts since this forum obviously is not for the ignorant uninformed like myself.

Don't leave, just understand that there are too many variables in your test for most people to accept it. Double cutting on a log is a huge variable. I think your test was interesting but is it possible to redo it with an 18"-20" log and the same chain?: I would like to hear what your results were then. I too am surprised at all the brand wars on this site. I would rather read about "normal users" and their results than super technical results that aren't real world for the normal chainsaw addict. I just sold my last Stihl, a mint 036PRO and ran it against a number of other models, 026,290,310,360 and 361. I was never slower. Should I have been? Maybe. Was the test anything other than 2 or 3 guys playing around trying to be fair? I hope we were fair and used the same cutting technique. The point is that, as in your case, these were the results that I saw and I didn't feel the need to drop my pants as someone else said to make a point. I have run my new 372XPW against three 460's. I was faster once, same once and slower once. So what, who cares. If I needed a chainsaw to prove what a man I am I wouldn't be a man. Stay on the site and continue to contribute because you will learn a lot and I think may be able to teach others to just have fun and relax. I don't have over 5000 posts but since I retired in 95 I've averaged 440 cords of wood per year. Does that count for anything?

 

[Justsaws]

I must admit that the suffering has been minimal in this thread. I expected more, much much more.

SBHooper good luck with the saws. I should have mentioned earlier that it was good to hear your 359 got sorted and is up and cutting wood.

 

[Andyshine77]

SbHooper please don't be discouraged with the response this thread has receive, no one is trying to put you, or your saws down. The simple fact is you just don't want to accept that your test was not ran with controlled parameters, and that's OK, you live and you learn.

I'll be the first to admit that I have so much to learn about chains, technique and so on, it's not even funny. It is however part of my point, I have learned just enough in the past few years to realize, I know very little compared to many of the regulars on this site.

Have a look at this video I made. The chain I was using is not really considered a race chain, but it does cut well and works just fine for gtg's. BTW I personally can not make a chain that will even come close to it. If you time the cuts you will notice they very as I change my technique, at times you can even hear the saws rpm's drop when I hit a knot or a dense spot in the log..

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[peter399]

Pete,

You're right. The Dolmar 6400 has 4.8 HP. But, you knew that. Right?

ole joat

I knew that but didn't take it into account because of the weight. One could put it like this: The only 60cc chainsaw with true 4,9hp is the all mighty 262XP.

262XP: 3,6kW/4,9HP; 5,8kg powerhead. Source: KWF
PS6400: 3,5kW/4,8HP; 6,4kg powerhead. Source: KWF

The power difference might be negligable, but who wants to carry around the weight of a 7900 for 0,1hp less ?


OK, now you Stihlheads can continue to come up with excuses why your cure cancer saw got beaten by a Husky occasional user saw Here is a hint for you: - Maybe it had a ChiCom jug in it ?!

 

[joatmon]

I knew that but didn't take it into account because of the weight. One could put it like this: The only 60cc chainsaw with true 4,9hp is the all mighty 262XP.

262XP: 3,6kW/4,9HP; 5,8kg powerhead. Source: KWF
PS6400: 3,5kW/4,8HP; 6,4kg powerhead. Source: KWF

The power difference might be negligable, but who wants to carry around the weight of a 7900 for 0,1hp less ?


OK, now you Stihlheads can continue to come up with excuses why your cure cancer saw got beaten by a Husky occasional user saw Here is a hint for you: - Maybe it had a ChiCom jug in it ?!

Pete,

If the .6 KG puts it into another class for you, I have some advice. Join a gym. Lift some iron. In other words, put yourself into another class.

Just tryin' to help,

ole joat