Throwbag nightmare

[moss]

I just replaced the webbing loop that Bermie mentioned with this sort of over the top confabulation inspired by another climber Hunabku on the TCC forum. These ideas are definitely like viruses, saw it yesterday made my version today.

The loop (bottom of the photo) is made from 1.8mm Dynaglide doubled then pulled through the cover made from a short length of tech cord. The Dynaglide is knotted with an f8.

The core of the Tachyon (green rope) is taken out about 3 inches. The loop is stuffed inside the Tachyon cover and pinned down with a wrap of 1.75mm ZingIt which is brushed w/super glue.

A loop like this is very useful for installing a cinched SRT pitch when the height of the TIP is greater than half the length of the rope. The tapered end will drop nicely through the bight on a Running Bowline.
-moss

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Ah...The Tree House Project, a crown reduction on a 2000 yr. old Coastal Redwood. The DVD is must see. I bet you guys could have rigged a Scooner with all the line that was needed for that project. I've got the DVD. Can the DVD be ordered from Bailey's?opcorn:

Probably, or go to Jerry's site. http://www.atreestory.com/ I have the rough edit on VCR.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Ness has always been an amazing innovator.

He just does not give credit to those who he got the ideas from. That is just another way to do the whipping loop, and the glue was shown by an old member here 8-9 years ago.

He is a good guy, a bit self-important.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

The loop (bottom of the photo) is made from 1.8mm Dynaglide

Seems to me the old whipping loop would be more practical. This seems over thought.

 

[Tree Machine]

As long as it's strong enough to haul up an occasional Husky 395 or a reel of 3/8" cable and cabling gear I'm good with it.

 

[Bermie]

So its going to be a ####ty weekend, gales and such, no going ashore for a couple of days.
So I took two throwbags and lines home with me, going to get some practice throwing, took my rope home too, going to sew in the little loops on the ends...thats if I don't get distracted with a good book...

Tata for now (TTFN)

 

[Tree Machine]

Here's a simple thing to try. When you're holding the shotline, bag at your side, preparing for the throw... stop. Look at where you're holding the line.
Keep holding, lower the bag down on the ground. Keep holding that spot. Now tie a simple overhand knot to mark that exact position.

(this is not my original idea)

Now when you throw, you will throw from that precise spot and the knot will help prevent premature slippage. One guy showed me how he had put a plastic bead on the line that would stop at the knot, giving a better 'grip'.


Over the next few dozen throws you will have a clear sense of whether that's the right spot or not. If it feels good, you're good. If not, you're either too long or too short and you loosen and adjust the knot up or down.

It gives you point of reference, a consistent place, rather than just gripping the line wherever. This will knock out an unknown variable and get you on a better track to consistent throws.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Now tie a simple overhand knot to mark that exact position.

What I used to do is smudge that area of the line and put a slip-knot in it there to throw with, then you eliminate the infinitesimal chance of the little overhand from getting caught in a crotch (happens, personal experiance).

 

[moss]

As long as it's strong enough to haul up an occasional Husky 395 or a reel of 3/8" cable and cabling gear I'm good with it.

Easily. Would be interesting to do a pull test on it, it's very strong.
-moss

 

[treejock1]

Throwbags work the best for me when fired from my BIG SHOT! I love that thing! Everyone should have one.

I love mine. Oh fyi-when launching eggs with it make sure egg is on end in the pocket, not on it's side-euwww!!!

 

[Tree Machine]

:greenchainsaw::hmm3grin2orange::biggrinbounce2::biggrinbounce2::biggrinbounce2::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Bermie]

Well, the little loopies are now on the ends of my rope...looks smart, why didn't I do this sooner?
Been raining all day so no throwbaggin'.....

 

[SINGLE-JACK]

...there's a very large emotional rift, between nailing your shot and not. Maybe some of you will agree.
Aceing the throw= joy and elation. Life is good.
Getting it on the second shot= ahhh, I see what I did wrong on the first shot.
Got it on the third shot=About frickin time.
Missed the fourth shot= Geeeodd dang shtttt frckkk arrrrrrr!
Missed the fifth shot=Quit staring at me, you're all fired!

OK, Tree Machine's being funny. Sort of.

:agree2: Yes, he is!!! LOL ... But, SOOO TRUE!!! I'd rep that if I could.

 

[SINGLE-JACK]

Alternative (experimental) Throwbag Connection

...
put a slip-knot in it there to throw with, then you eliminate the infinitesimal chance of the little overhand from getting caught in a crotch
...

:agree2:

I've always liked a slip-knot like JPS recommends. But, I'm trying to take it a step further. After a bad shot (and during practice) to speed up pulling the line back, I've found it faster to remove the bag to assure no hang-up. Clearing a hang-up easily waste much more time than several bad shots.

But, un-tieing and re-tieing the bag is a waste of time, too. So, I've been trying several ways to speed up connecting the bag, including TM's micro. Here's where I am now (comments & complaints welcome):

I'm using a short segment of throwline with Locking Brummel Eyes at each end. Locking Brummel Eyes are extremely easy to put in Dynaglide. The bag is girthed in one eye and a very small 'dog' snap is girthed in the other eye. The length of the short segment puts the snap at the ideal 'GRIP' location that TM recommends. The snap connects to a Locking Brummel Eye in the main throwline.

So far, it's saving a lot of time and no hang-ups ... yet ...

 

[Tree Machine]

Way cool SingleJack!

I have a question. When you do a BigShot, I assume you'd have to put both the dog snap and the bag in the shot pouch together.

How do you manage the length of line in between the shot-bag and the dog connector? Do you wrap it around three fingertips and stuff it in the pouch too?


So, when throwing, you use the dog leash as the gripping point. The length of line between the dog leash and the bag is the kind and ideal length, custom specifically for you.

That is a most excellent setup, sir,

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Interesting, though it seems lime some more stuff to get caught in the tree to me.

Where to you hold it for the throw?

 

[SINGLE-JACK]

Way cool SingleJack!

THANKS!!! You deserve the credit. I got the idea from a post of yours a while back. Indeed, we all do stand on the shoulders of others to help each other up.

I have a question. When you do a BigShot, I assume you'd have to put both the dog snap and the bag in the shot pouch together.

How do you manage the length of line in between the shot-bag and the dog connector? Do you wrap it around three fingertips and stuff it in the pouch too?

There's certainly no need for a leader with a BigShot - simply rig another dog connector directly to another shot-bag.

So, when throwing, you use the dog leash as the gripping point. The length of line between the dog leash and the bag is the kind and ideal length, custom specifically for you.

Exactly, as you recommended in your post. The location of the snap (i.e., leader length) was experimentally determined to achieve the best balance of height and accuracy.

That is a most excellent setup, sir,

Thank you for your generous remarks. It is always refreshing to see some civility on AS.

Regards, Jack

 

[SINGLE-JACK]

Interesting, though it seems lime some more stuff to get caught in the tree to me.

Actually, almost ALL my hang-ups have come from pulling a shot-bag on the end of the throwline back through a tree. They wrap around branches, get wedged into crotches ... well, you know.

So, with this rig, I can remove the shot-bag (snap and leader, too) and retrieve the throwline without anything to get caught. There is that small eye on the end of the throwline which rarely catches anything. But, if it does, it's small and the DynaGlide is plenty strong enough to pull it free.

So then, you might ask, how to isolate a limb without a shot-bag on the end of the throwline? Girth one in the middle. It's soooo very much easier to free a caught shot-bag and isolate a limb when you can pull it both ways. But, that might be off-topic.

Where to you hold it for the throw?

I hold the snap ... so, no need to tie & un-tie bag or grip knots. The location of the snap (i.e., leader length) was experimentally determined to achieve the best balance of height and accuracy.

Regards, Jack

 

[Bermie]

Well I went outside today to have a bit of a practice...did not go particularly well...I really think my problem is timing the release, I go short or high.

Rain stopped, sun came out, not too windy....but THEN the wind switched to the NW and is now blowing 45kn gusting to 60...I was going ashore later...not now! have to miss two meetings, so here I am twiddling away on AS....:help:

 

[pdqdl]

Try the two handed toss:

1. pull a spare loop through the ring on your throwball.
2. Grab the loop with one hand, the single line with the other.
3. Swing the pendulum with both hands,...toss! I find that the two handed toss ALWAYS goes exactly where I aim it; I only need to worry about the altitude of my toss.

I can't hit diddly tossing with only one hand. I am so bad at one handed throwing, the entire tree is safe. But then again, my throwing hand only has three fingers...Oh heck! I couldn't throw worth a hoot when I had all five, either.

[side story: I was filling in on another team for intramural college softball (many years ago). They stuck me in right field, figuring that was the safest place to hide the new guy. A line drive and a man on 3rd base running for home! I KNEW I couldn't throw that far, but I flung it as far as I could anyway. It landed in the infield about 20-30 feet short of the catcher, bounced once, he caught it perfectly and tagged the runner out. Everybody raved about my perfect bounce-throw...I never told them that I couldn't get it there without the bounce...]