so why exactly are ms200t's so expensive?

[Tzed250]

What does that have to do with this discussion? Why do you so often have to resort to personal attacks in a discusion to make your point? Then you turn around and behave yourself for a while, then you're back at the attachs again? Are you drunk, bi-polar, or what?

I didn't make a personal attack, but you sure did. Behave myself? I'm just me. When I read BS I call it. What I said had everything to do with this discussion, and is the same thing that all the others in this thread are trying to tell you. You have never climbed professionally, so you have no idea what it is like to use a chainsaw in a tree. The only thing you have ever done with a top handle saw is play. It ain't playtime up in a removal when the performance of the saw has everything to do with how easy or hard a job will be. You compared the 200T to other saws its size, but you never answered the question about how long you had spent with one hanging from your saddle. Do you even have a saddle? Doubt it. I'm willing to bet those other saws weren't top handle saws. If they weren't then comparing them to the 200T is like comparing an apple to an orange. It doesn't make sense. You can think the 200T is overpriced all you want. The majority of the members that have posted in this thread that have proffesional experience with the 200T have told you they see a reasonable cost for the best damn top handle saw in the world.

On another note. It seems to me that you like to operate above your pay grade quite a bit. As far as I know you do not hold the title of PhD. or MD. So stick to what you know. This isn't the first time you have tried your little armchair psychoanalyst crap with either me or other members. Your arrogance is what hangs your a$$ out to dry a lot of the time, and it shows here. You have facts? Post them. If you want to go applying labels and slinging poop then I'm game for that too.

Ball's back in your court buddy ol' pal...


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[blsnelling]

I didn't make a personal attack, but you sure did. Behave myself? I'm just me. When I read BS I call it. What I said had everything to do with this discussion, and is the same thing that all the others in this thread are trying to tell you. You have never climbed professionally, so you have no idea what it is like to use a chainsaw in a tree. The only thing you have ever done with a top handle saw is play. It ain't playtime up in a removal when the performance of the saw has everything to do with how easy or hard a job will be. You compared the 200T to other saws its size, but you never answered the question about how long you had spent with one hanging from your saddle. Do you even have a saddle? Doubt it. I'm willing to bet those other saws weren't top handle saws. If they weren't then comparing them to the 200T is like comparing an apple to an orange. It doesn't make sense. You can think the 200T is overpriced all you want. The majority of the members that have posted in this thread that have proffesional experience with the 200T have told you they see a reasonable cost for the best damn top handle saw in the world.

On another note. It seems to me that you like to operate above your pay grade quite a bit. As far as I know you do not hold the title of PhD. or MD. So stick to what you know. This isn't the first time you have tried your little armchair psychoanalyst crap with either me or other members. Your arrogance is what hangs your a$$ out to dry a lot of the time, and it shows here. You have facts? Post them. If you want to go applying labels and slinging poop then I'm game for that too.

Ball's back in your court buddy ol' pal...


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TZed, I'm not interested in a verbal battle with you. Of course I don't own a saddle, and have never topped a tree with a chainsaw. But that doesn't prevent me from having an oppinion that the 200T is overpriced. However, even though I believe it's overpriced, I still believe it's best in class. I never denied that. The difference between me an you, is that you choose to discredit me and my opinion in order to support yours.

 

[pgg]

335's are a saw that need various annoying little flaws fixed to get them running 100%, can't be bothered describing what needs doing to them, but can assure you they're awesome performing little pro-grade hot-rods that last for years once they've been sorted, though they can still mis-behave and throw tantrums now and again, similar to a highly-strung female that needs lots of attention otherwise she'll go all sulky on ya. Cracks me up hearing how people claim the oilers "don't work" LOL any oiler problems on them are a simple 2-minute permanent fix. Have yet to see any dealer who would know Jack about getting a 335 to run properly, so beware if you're not into DIY fixes, best stay away from them and get the 200T if not mechanically inclined. Here's a vid of 335 and 200T side by side. The husky and the stihl in this vid have both done thousands and thousands of hours between them, so excuse the smoke...


PS the red saw is a Solo 636,


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[belgian]

Only because it gets him right where I want him, see Belgian he's afraid to send me that saw, I might find out it wasn't the saw or maybe whatever is wrong with it is minor, one thing for certain, he's not gonna let me get my hands on it, he won't have anything to groan about,LOLOL

Awwwwwwww Mr Hall, don't be to harsh now on ole Rope.....Some souls can't be saved !!!

Every tree worker I know over here swears by his 200T....nuff said, nexxxxxxt !

 

[teacherman]

Once you get one of those new carbs on it, it is a bulletproof, reliable, well-balanced little screamer. The newer ones don't have the carb problem, I hear.
I've had one up in a tree (using my rock climbing harness LOL), and to me it is almost more powerful than I'd like for lopping off small stuff one-handed. But I used mine on 15" dry oak (on the ground) for about five cuts, and the little beast ate it up. Some things are not reflected in cookie-cutting numbers.

200T for me. Mine was 350 on the bay a few years ago, used very little. New carb and it will last me a while, I think.

 

[Tzed250]

TZed, I'm not interested in a verbal battle with you. Of course I don't own a saddle, and have never topped a tree with a chainsaw. But that doesn't prevent me from having an oppinion that the 200T is overpriced. However, even though I believe it's overpriced, I still believe it's best in class. I never denied that. The difference between me an you, is that you choose to discredit me and my opinion in order to support yours.

Blsnelling, the only thing that I did was point out that in the case of the MS200T you were not in a position to render an expert opinion. You mentioned that you liked your MS200 because it was light. In case you hadn't noticed, weight reduction costs money. Go to a bicycle shop and notice the inverse relationship between weight and cost.

Why did you buy a new camera? Did you not already have a DSLR? You could have bought a G12 and saved a lot of money. I wonder what the average working class guys opinion is of a $1500 DSLR body? Oh, hold on, I should know that you are going to come back and say you want to shoot 1080p video with interchangeable lenses, have more MP, so on and so forth. That purchase was worth it to you. For many it is a ridiculous waste of money.

The thing of it is, you admit that the saw is best in class. Stihl obviously sells enough of them at the MSRP to reinforce a proper analysis of the price point. To you it may be overpriced, but to the target consumer group of professional arborists it is worth every darn dime.

BTW....Merry Christmas!!!
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[THALL10326]

Awwwwwwww Mr Hall, don't be to harsh now on ole Rope.....Some souls can't be saved !!!

Every tree worker I know over here swears by his 200T....nuff said, nexxxxxxt !

No fear brother Belgian. Rope is ok in my book and I'm sure he knows I'm just yanking his ole chain alittle bit. He's a bonified Husky man, no wonder he's a miserable ole coot,LOLOL, (teasing)

Around here its the same, all the tree outfits, no matter what brand ground saw they have, though its 99.9% all Stihl here, all have the 200T for topping. Far as pricing goes never really had any complaints over it at the rack, they just get it and go on. I don't cut em any slack for I know that saw will make them many thousands of dollars in a hurry.

Lets clear the air on this little saw. The 200T had many carbs over its lifespan, many carb changes due to EPA and many due to problems. That was about the only big issue that was common with it. The arborists didn't mind as long as you could fix it fast. The last version carb its been using seems to finally have resolved the carb issues altogether. Brad pointed out the buffers on that saw and thats true, they do take a beating, they need to be replaced before they break. When the handle assembly starts feeling all spongy its time to put new buffers in. If not you risk stretching the on/off wire in the front under the handle till it brakes leaving the on/off switch not working. I've seen a few where all the buffers are completely shot and the carb manifold rips from over stretching. These things are the fault of the user due no maintaince what so ever, use it till it breaks attitude. Those are about the extent of issues I've come across with the 200T over the years. I've sold many 200T's. The ones with the latest carbs have been trouble free 100%. Ole Rope may have got a lemon but one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole basket when it comes to the 200T, it is the preferred top handle saw regardless of what it cost, it owns the top handle market. Its one saw Stihl really hates to have to do away with because its following is huge, not just in the USA but the world over...

 

[ropensaddle]

335's are a saw that need various annoying little flaws fixed to get them running 100%, can't be bothered describing what needs doing to them, but can assure you they're awesome performing little pro-grade hot-rods that last for years once they've been sorted, though they can still mis-behave and throw tantrums now and again, similar to a highly-strung female that needs lots of attention otherwise she'll go all sulky on ya. Cracks me up hearing how people claim the oilers "don't work" LOL any oiler problems on them are a simple 2-minute permanent fix. Have yet to see any dealer who would know Jack about getting a 335 to run properly, so beware if you're not into DIY fixes, best stay away from them and get the 200T if not mechanically inclined. Here's a vid of 335 and 200T side by side. The husky and the stihl in this vid have both done thousands and thousands of hours between them, so excuse the smoke...


PS the red saw is a Solo 636,


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And thats it I did not for the life of me see a four hundred dollar difference.

 

[THALL10326]

And thats it I did not for the life of me see a four hundred dollar difference.

" so beware if you're not into DIY fixes, best stay away from them and get the 200T if not mechanically inclined. Here's a vid of 335 and 200T side by side"

Always read the fine print Rope,LOLOLOLOL

 

[ropensaddle]

" so beware if you're not into DIY fixes, best stay away from them and get the 200T if not mechanically inclined. Here's a vid of 335 and 200T side by side"

Always read the fine print Rope,LOLOLOLOL

Well now Tom my 335 was two years old before smashing and never had a problem with it.
200 plus change. My 200 t was over 6 bills needs work at eight months Read the fine print Tom.

 

[ropensaddle]

I would think three new 335 far superior to one 200T

 

[Zombiechopper]

338XPT costs MORE here roperoo. About 40 bucks extra to get a lesser machine in Canada

 

[THALL10326]

Well now Tom my 335 was two years old before smashing and never had a problem with it.
200 plus change. My 200 t was over 6 bills needs work at eight months Read the fine print Tom.

My 372 was a POS brand new out the box Rope so whats your point, am I to be like you and say all 372's are junk, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm,LOL

Take note you didn't offer to fix it for me either, shames on ya,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

Thats large print(hehe)

Merry Christman Rope, what did you buy me, remember I like two tone gifts, not solid, when will that 200 of yours be arriving for the doctor to get into. You know tant no one else gonna step up for ya so send me that saw Rope, consider it a Christmas cheer from me to you. I'll be waiting by the mailbox,

 

[jus2fat]

Jesus Gawd Rope....just send the freakin' saw to Thall to fix...for FREE!!
I really respect you and you have answered some of my past questions...

But this has really come to a "mutually advantageous situation"..send the saw!!

I have full faith Tom will fix it and not gloat or try to embarrass you.
You know he's a "straight-up" guy and will do you right.

Why not just send the saw...get it fixed.. and end this 200t debacle??

J2F

 

[Freehand]

The large print givith, and the small print taketh away.......

 

[Freehand]

Jesus Gawd Rope....just send the freakin' saw to Thall to fix...for FREE!!
I really respect you and you have answered some of my past questions...

But this has really come to a "mutually advantageous situation"..send the saw!!

I have full faith Tom will fix it and not gloat or try to embarrass you.
You know he's a "straight-up" guy and will do you right.

Why not just send the saw...get it fixed.. and end this 200t debacle??

J2F

Tommy not gloat?Surely you jest.

 

[sawinredneck]

Not much at least:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Yoopermike]

another question that would go well in this thread;

why do so many people have a grudge against Stihl®™ ?

it seems like many people on the forum are so die hard against Stihl®™ because they are by far the biggest seller of chainsaws. these people i describe have no problem with husky, echo, efco, makita, dolmar, or any other chainsaw manufacturer, but it seems like they would let a man give them anal sex before they would own a Stihl®™, why is that?

if Echo or Husky were the top seller, these same people would have the same attitude towards them, theyd be totally against Echo because everyone has echos, so theyll be cool and buy a Stihl®™. its that"against the grain" attitude , where even if something is proven better hypothetically, they still wont use it, because its popular and lots of others use it. it reminds me of goth kids and that whole scene kind of.. they are trying so hard to be different and counter-culture, and against the norm, for no other reason than being against the norm. theres clearly no advantage to dressing like a freak, BUT at least they are different, right? .. they dont care, at least they arnt "selling out" and buying a Stihl®™, RIGHT!?, theyd rather spend the same amount of money on a heavy ass makita, why? because they are different, and didnt buy a Stihl®™ like the rest of us yuppy sheep !
its always been "cool" to do the "unpopular" thing..some of these people i bet even form their opinion without having ran one, they just know they dont wana be another yuppy bmw driver (stihl®™ user) so they convince themselves they are overpriced junk, even if they secretly want one inside, they cant let anyone know, or they loose that edgy cool factor that comes with hating the most successful , the same way little goth and emo kids hate their favorite band once they actually make some money and sell some records, same type of thing going on here if you ask me.

nothing wrong with a stihl, I did one a stihl once and worked for a stihl dealer, its just personal preference and whether er not you had a bad experience with a dealer ie.. I had my 026.. brought it in for repair and the dealer just wanted me to buy another saw and would not touch my saw I had and all he could say was "this saw has more power" trying to get me to buy that new saw but he could NOT tell me off hand what the specs were nor would he sell me the saw without the pos safety chain. I walked out and went to the husky dealer. the would not only fix my Stihl for me the WOMAN behind the desk came out and answered all my q's about the saw and showed me a few things about them and knew all the specs' off hand not to mention NO SAFETY CHAIN!! ... I was so impresses with the customer service (let alone a husky dealer fixing my stihl) that I had a new love affair with husqvarna and never looked back, not to mention that the husky was a bit cheaper . and 2nd its more like a Ford vs Chevy thing, btw I prefer Dodge!!! but really I dont hold it against stihl to have a ####ty dealer they are a good saw (#### I said it) but im husky through and through! (and yes I got rid of the stihl) not to mention that the husky seems to have a better feel to me .

 

[jus2fat]

Tommy not gloat?Surely you jest.

I agree he may well gloat personally...but I don't believe he would do it public.
If it were me...I would just take satisfaction in simply getting Rope's saw fixed.
Tom plays "the role" sometimes but I've never read him do it "vendetta" style.

J2F

 

[youngs24]

I modified quite a few small saws looking for the most power for the weight. The ONLY reason I have a MS200 is because it's only about 7.5 lbs. There are a lot of 9-9.5 lbs saws in the 40cc range that will blow the 200 away in power in modded form. Porting didn't do much for the 200, but it did a whole lot for most of the others. I've been asked about porting 200s and won't do it. It's not worth your money. I've not ported any other top handle saws. It would be interesting to see how some of the others would respond. So what am I trying to say? In modded form, the 200 is not impressive in the power department. The only thing it has the others don't is the super light weight. Even a cheapie Ryobi/Redmax 400 will blow it away.

I keep a few 200Ts running for a local tree service. I'm always replacing AV mounts on them. That sometimes takes the intake elbow with it. That and the constant carb issues. Those seem to be their only two real issues. They pull the muffler screen and I won't do anything else to them. It's just not worth their money for any other mods.

IMO if you run a 200 in stock form against any stock saw in its class it will out perform and out last any other saw on the market and will always crank when you are up in a tree an really depending on it. Now on to a modded saw you might be right Brad a modded saw will probly smoke it but not for long when it has no durability in it when you modd it!!!!
Hell if it's anything other than a stihl 200 it didn't have durabilty to start with so there's no way it will have durability when you get done with it!!! Later Troy!