The 70cc modifie'd saw claim's.

[RandyMac]

When this subject came up in an earlier thread, the premise was that a souped 70cc saw could do the same work as a six cube saw.
So, like I said then, bolt a 42" bar on it and let's go saw some six cube sized wood.

 

[WoodChuck'r]

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[Rudolf73]

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[Man of $tihl]

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[AUSSIE1]

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[Slamm]

When this subject came up in an earlier thread, the premise was that a souped 70cc saw could do the same work as a six cube saw.
So, like I said then, bolt a 42" bar on it and let's go saw some six cube sized wood.

I'm not familiar with this earlier thread, you speak of, pretty sure I would not word it such as "a souped up 70cc saw could do the same work as a six cube saw.", as that is not logical due to the higher horsepower/torque numbers that a bigger saw can produce, but a 28" bar only needs so much horsepower/torque to pull high revs in wood, and a modded 70cc saw (441 in my discussions) will cut more wood than a 90cc saw, and if we are just going to talk cookie cutting it will sure be right there if not beat it, it would more come down to a sharp chain, which in my book is still a win for the smaller saw.

Many people who have run them know this, I will work on getting videos to prove it in my case. Worse case scenario if I am wrong is I will be getting rid of my 441's and buying 660's and cutting more wood, right? and eating some crow, which is fine if I am wrong, but I usually go to great lengths to avoid being wrong. I did for myself and so did my cutters to prove that the modded 441 was where it was at earlier so I will now do the reverse, LOL. No big deal.

We don't have any good steep hill jobs coming up otherwise the results would be more for the 441 due to weight and refueling issues.

Sam

 

[porsche965]

My first saw was a 076. Sold that for the 066 Mag. Faster, lighter, less fuel. Sold the 66 after running a DP 460, but the mileage was still poor.

After running a fully ported 441 C M-Tronic I don't see any reason for a 90cc saw unless you are milling or running a 36 plus bar in very big wood. Especially if you are in rough terrain, hills, snow or muddy conditions etc.

I found it wasn't exactly the fueling that was causing less production, because that goes pretty quick, it was the walking back to the fuel/oil cans for the fuel, and then walking all the way back to where you were cutting again. Add in the bulk and weight all day and there certainly is a difference in the end.

Reminds me of the Automotive advancements. Big blocks were the way to go, then 350s 351s etc. Now we are making more HP with engines that weigh allot less, use way less fuel, get better mileage and life spans that are much longer. Chainsaws are evolving right before our eyes. Great time to be in I say.

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

someone please answer this question. new ms660/28" 8-pin full skip VS. new ms441 m-tronic/28" 7 or 8 pin full skip. with weight a non-issue, which saw is faster in 30" oak???? experts please chime in here.

 

[ratso]

someone please answer this question. new ms660/28" 8-pin full skip VS. new ms441 m-tronic/28" 7 or 8 pin full skip. with weight a non-issue, which saw is faster in 30" oak???? experts please chime in here.

The 660 will win.Then put 42"bar on both saws same wood and you will see it.

 

[Ambull]

The main issue of which saw is better is the horsepower that it produces. After that it is all in the setup. If you want more chain speed, go with a bigger sprocket. Skip vs. full comp.... Chisel or semi chisel..... Raker height....

Only true way to solve arguments like this is with a dynomometer, and see which saw has more power.

I highly doubt a woods ported 70cc saw could cut faster than a properly set up 90+ cc saw. Even in small wood, you could run a custom sprocket to increase chain speed and smoke the smaller saw. However, a race modified 70cc saw should be able to produce more HP and cut faster, especially if it is running on alcohol.

 

[mitch95100]

Well first of all IF ANYONE IS GOING TO READ THIS THREAD GET A BEER(s) First of all i had to subscribe cauz i got a 044 with a bb kit and a 066 thats stock I agree that the 044 will keep up in so say 24" wood but you get into wood thats runnin 28'' up its nice to have the extra power/tourque besides the weight. IMHO its all by personal preference. Their are some pretty big boys out thier that can lug 660's around an think nothing of it. But the for the rest of us those 441's/044 feel pretty damn nice after 5-8 hours of cutting for refueling purposes the 044 is way more fuel efficent.
This thread has started a pretty good arguement so guys that say their making videos DO IT dont back out if the vid goes the other way post it fess up to it and dont back out.
Lookin foward to hearin from ya:msp_biggrin:

 

[Cliniford]

Hey my 346 with a 36" bar will kick all those saws butts and still have enough fuel to cut a couple more cord!!1:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[mdavlee]

I have a couple videos on my youtube of husky and husky 2. One is the buildoff 372 and the other is a 390 with mild port work and muffler mod. 30" cannon bar with full comp square ground chain in oak. I can't link them from my phone so maybe someone will post them in here. The results will surprise you as it did me.

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

The main issue of which saw is better is the horsepower that it produces. After that it is all in the setup. If you want more chain speed, go with a bigger sprocket. Skip vs. full comp.... Chisel or semi chisel..... Raker height....

Only true way to solve arguments like this is with a dynomometer, and see which saw has more power.

I highly doubt a woods ported 70cc saw could cut faster than a properly set up 90+ cc saw. Even in small wood, you could run a custom sprocket to increase chain speed and smoke the smaller saw. However, a race modified 70cc saw should be able to produce more HP and cut faster, especially if it is running on alcohol.

i have a dyno,it is crude,it is not pretty, but it is dead on accurate. my 441 is right @ 5.72 hp, and my dual port 660 is right@ 7.3. even the best modded 441 on ultra/gas mix are gonna be hard pressed to do more than 6.5 hp. that being said,the 441 will turn more rpm's than the 660. both saws with 8 pin sprockets,i would be hard pressed to believe the 441 would hols the rpm's in the wood that 660 does. am i thinkiing right here or not? i can honestly say i have been aroud some pretty heavily modded work saws,but have never, or desired to run one. i do prefer to keep my saws mostly stock,for reliability if nothing else.

 

[lone wolf]

i have a dyno,it is crude,it is not pretty, but it is dead on accurate. my 441 is right @ 5.72 hp, and my dual port 660 is right@ 7.3. even the best modded 441 on ultra/gas mix are gonna be hard pressed to do more than 6.5 hp. that being said,the 441 will turn more rpm's than the 660. both saws with 8 pin sprockets,i would be hard pressed to believe the 441 would hols the rpm's in the wood that 660 does. am i thinkiing right here or not? i can honestly say i have been aroud some pretty heavily modded work saws,but have never, or desired to run one. i do prefer to keep my saws mostly stock,for reliability if nothing else.

What has more HP a stock 440 or or a stock 441?

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

What has more HP a stock 440 or or a stock 441?

never put the 440 on the dyno,it doesn't really impress me much. but i do have alot of time on my 441, and it does pull a 25" full skip setup better in the wood. i do believe the 441 is rated a little more, and i will say my 441 is a very strong stock saw.

 

[Justsaws]

i have a dyno,it is crude,it is not pretty, but it is dead on accurate. my 441 is right @ 5.72 hp, and my dual port 660 is right@ 7.3. even the best modded 441 on ultra/gas mix are gonna be hard pressed to do more than 6.5 hp. that being said,the 441 will turn more rpm's than the 660. both saws with 8 pin sprockets,i would be hard pressed to believe the 441 would hols the rpm's in the wood that 660 does. am i thinkiing right here or not? i can honestly say i have been aroud some pretty heavily modded work saws,but have never, or desired to run one. i do prefer to keep my saws mostly stock,for reliability if nothing else.

It is all about the size of wood and cutting setup.

660 need a 3/8"x8x24" setup in that size wood to begin using the power.

70cc saws will do fine in that size wood.

Clip the nads of a 660 with a 7 rim and skip chain on a -28 bar and it is a slow saw, put that saw setup on a smaller saw that can spin faster and it will seem quicker add some technique and the "race" is on.

People will use what works for them. I meet up with a fellow every once in a while that runs a .404"x7x25" on a governed 076 and 084, you can watch the wood rot while he is cutting it. Drives me f-ing nuts but he raves about the setup and the power. You could use over 45cc less engine and walk all over that setup, modify a 60cc modern saw and it would not be a contest. That being said, bet the 60cc modified saw is not running all original 30 years later.

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

It is all about the size of wood and cutting setup.

660 need a 3/8"x8x24" setup in that size wood to begin using the power.

70cc saws will do fine in that size wood.

Clip the nads of a 660 with a 7 rim and skip chain on a -28 bar and it is a slow saw, put that saw setup on a smaller saw that can spin faster and it will seem quicker add some technique and the "race" is on.

People will use what works for them. I meet up with a fellow every once in a while that runs a .404"x7x25" on a governed 076 and 084, you can watch the wood rot while he is cutting it. Drives me f-ing nuts but he raves about the setup and the power. You could use over 45cc less engine and walk all over that setup, modify a 60cc modern saw and it would not be a contest. That being said, bet the 60cc modified saw is not running all original 30 years later.

thats good stuff there!!!!!!!!!!! lol

 

[056kid]

Near the end of my last cutting stint I gave in to the PNW style and adopted the 32'' bar on the 660. Doing a lot of cutting on slopes, the longer bar has an advantage, I cut from one side anyway. There is no way I could get the production with a smaller saw trying to pull a full comp 32'' bar.

Someone mentioned the 084, Well if a bar larger than 40'' was needed to get the job done, switching over to the 084 would make sense. .

 

[Ambull]

i have a dyno,it is crude,it is not pretty, but it is dead on accurate. my 441 is right @ 5.72 hp, and my dual port 660 is right@ 7.3. even the best modded 441 on ultra/gas mix are gonna be hard pressed to do more than 6.5 hp. that being said,the 441 will turn more rpm's than the 660. both saws with 8 pin sprockets,i would be hard pressed to believe the 441 would hols the rpm's in the wood that 660 does. am i thinkiing right here or not? i can honestly say i have been aroud some pretty heavily modded work saws,but have never, or desired to run one. i do prefer to keep my saws mostly stock,for reliability if nothing else.

Exactly my point!! You could run a custom 9 or 10 pin sprocket on the 660 and then you would be really fast in the small stuff. On alcohol I bet the 441 could make the 7.5+ HP, but tough to do on gas.