CCW while firewooding?

[Dogsout]

My dogs are with me and they would probably pick up on some badguys close enough. Now a dedicated long range rifle shooter, no, but anything else, yes. One of them picked up on a sneak thief a quarter mile away before, up at the airport here, and I went and rousted him out.

To each their own. Like I said I have stopped getting car jacked before because I was carrying, just stopped at a random light downtown atlanta, had my window down as I like fresh air, and someone ran up and tried to grab the wheel and door handle. World's worst timing for a jack attempt, I had *just* bought a 44. Not kidding. Whipped it out, told him to F off and he ran, fast. Another time was living in a second story apartment, a noise woke me up, a burglar had climbed in the kitchen window, there was a fence nearby he got a boost from. Again, grabbed a piece, point, walked to the door, opened it up said "get out", he left. Rodney king riots, got a call from GF downtown, she and her mom trapped in their work buildings, riots going on all around their area, the cops (the federal building actually in Atlanta) with my first trip in wouldn't let anyone out unless there was a car right there for them, so I went down to rescue them,(much longer story than this, took me two trips then later on that afternoon some friends and I had to group up and protect our neighborhood) got surrounded by the mob, one car blocked me in on purpose, they guy was laughing about it, he wanted to see me get stomped by the mob, had to get pretty physical with that driver to get him to move, he got a dent in his skull, and me with my piece held the mob off until I could get outta there and complete my mission. Didn't shoot anyone but I was pretty darn serious about showing my intentions if any of them got close to me. Finally met up with a roadblock with the cops and I quick told him my story and he said they were ORDERED to let the mob run nutz, to do NOTHING. He was disgusted with that, I mean annoyed beyond belief. He told me go ahead and blast 'em if a similar situation occurred to me on the way back home, as different areas where spring up with mob violence all around.

I mean that was five minutes between "normal" all sorts of folks walking around regular, then the same people rioting and going batsquat crazy. I saw kids, old ladies, middle aged folks, you name it, all rioting, busting glass looting stores torching cars, etc. It's like a switch got flipped.

I'm not even close to being a racist, I am an old civil rights worker from the old days, all the way up to taking tear gas at rights demonstrations (peaceful, they gassed us anyway), but I ain't dumb either, badguys doing wrong just can't be ignored or reasoned with.

Then on farms and out and about, etc, you just never freaking know. I have been attacked twice now by wild dog packs, the first time I was out with my bow and nailed one as they came in from all sides, the others circled around then and followed me a LONG way back to the dirt road. They wanted a kill.

There's no way I am gonna be pollyanna about self defense. You go through unexpected stuff like that and it teaches you a lesson.

So it doesn't matter, chainsawing or not, city or country or burbs, you just do not know. No one is that psychic to know when the unexpected can show up and present you with "interesting times".. guys like me telling our stories are just really trying to be helpful, no different from any other "safety" issue, like hey, wear your skull bucket when riding your scoot, we don't want anyone to find out after the fact when it is too late how your situation can go from OK to terrible in seconds. that's all. We aren't violence freaks (I am real peaceful meselfs, don't go looking for any trouble), I am not a "nut", I own a few firearms, just like saws, that's it, no huge collection, but sometimes trouble finds you anyway and it is real handy to have an effective self defense tool, plus know how and when to use it.

LA riots, protecting your home and family, protecting yourself or property in downtown Atlanta how did that get into a thread when the ORIGINAL question was "Do you carry while firewooding" . I Understand all of that and I agree 100% no one is going to screw with my family either. At present I have 7 guns in the house if the need should arise. As far as cutting wood I would agree to disagree. As for the pack of dogs they better be really quick because I am fairly nimble with a running chain saw in my hands. As for all these bad guys you are fending off I would very much appreciate it if you would dispatch of them all before they get to my neck of the woods. (I'm good with that)

 

[tjbier]

I moved out of the western Detroit suburbs and went north for college in 2004. Besides a few summers home to live with my parents I have been out of that area since then, my only regret in leaving is that my family is still back there. Life up here in the center of the mitten is a lot more easy going, and it seems that I encounter a lot more decent people along the way. Now, I just have to steer clear of the east side of Saginaw and Flint, thankfully I bought my house far enough from both it will take a long time for the bad guys to catch up with me.

Cadillac? Grayling? I have to agree with those rough areas, we went to a wedding in Saginaw 3 yrs ago and it was scary hood turn on to a different road and it was 6000sqft+ mansions that were now B&Bs or professional offices! You might know exactly where I'm talking about.

As far as I kno, in Canada if you happen to have a handgun it needs to be in a locked hand case, and then inside a fireproof (or something like) large gun safe.
If you are going to shoot this handgun at a sportsmen club you MUST call the Police and inform them what you have and where you r going, also taking the most direct route no stopping for groceries ect. IMO not worth owning one in Canada.
This all may b hearsay , but that is what I was informed.:kilt:

 

[Circle B MN]

Cadillac? Grayling? I have to agree with those rough areas, we went to a wedding in Saginaw 3 yrs ago and it was scary hood turn on to a different road and it was 6000sqft+ mansions that were now B&Bs or professional offices! You might know exactly where I'm talking about.

As far as I kno, in Canada if you happen to have a handgun it needs to be in a locked hand case, and then inside a fireproof (or something like) large gun safe.
If you are going to shoot this handgun at a sportsmen club you MUST call the Police and inform them what you have and where you r going, also taking the most direct route no stopping for groceries ect. IMO not worth owning one in Canada.This all may b hearsay , but that is what I was informed.:kilt:

Gotta love you some gubermnet regulation. Thanks for keeping me safe from myself....:msp_thumbdn:

 

[banshee67]

i couldnt imagine living in such fear that it drove me to carry a handgun everywhere i went, thats horrible..

 

[xdmp22]

i couldnt imagine living in such fear that it drove me to carry a handgun everywhere i went, thats horrible..

Its not fear that motivates me or even everyone I know that caries.

It boils down to we have the right and choose to protect what we have worked for, and what we love and charish.

Arborist wear chaps and other PPE with the intention of never needing them, nobody wants to tear up a 100 dollar pair of chaps.

People alergic to bees carry an eppy (sp?) pen in case they get stung, but they don't take up honey making.

Us nice gun carrying folks don't want to use our guns, but if the need arises, we will be prepared........plain and simple.

 

[Guido Salvage]

An armed society is a polite society...

Actually, an armed society is one with murders and gun induced violence and injuries... Kind of reminds me of the cold war era and the need to get bigger and bigger nukes in order to "deter" the other folks. Many societies seem to function in admirable fashion without the volume of guns that one finds in America and I hear no protests about their freedoms being infringed upon.

Unless you reside in the inner city or next to a meth lab, you actually have a much greater chance of being injured or killed in a vehicle accident coming and going to cut wood than be confronted by a deranged would be chain saw thief in the woods. I would be more concerned about protecting myself from injury while riding/driving than someone jumping me in the woods.

Weapons can become a crutch to those who lack the ability or desire to find a more reasonable solution to a problem. While I do own an assortment of rifles and shotguns that I purchased for hunting, I have never seen the need to carry a concealed weapon or place myself in areas or situations where that might be required.

As an interesting aside, the most recent year that I could find CDC statistics for firearms violence was 2004. I was surprised that of the 29,569 firearm fatalities that year, 16,750 (or 57%) were classified as suicides. Thus, you have a much greater chance of killing yourself (57%) than at the hands of someone else (39%). The remaining 2% of the fatalities were classified as accidental deaths. In addition, New England states occupied six of the top seven positions for fewest firearm fatalities per 100,000 people, with New York ranking 4th with only 4.93 deaths per 100,000 residents. By comparison, Louisiana ranked as the worst state with 20.01 deaths per 100,000 people.

National Firearm Injury and Death Statistics | Washington CeaseFire

 

[audible fart]

i couldnt imagine living in such fear that it drove me to carry a handgun everywhere i went, thats horrible..

Post your address. We'll see which one of us is afraid as my crew takes your stuff.

 

[zogger]

now look up

Actually, an armed society is one with murders and gun induced violence and injuries... Kind of reminds me of the cold war era and the need to get bigger and bigger nukes in order to "deter" the other folks. Many societies seem to function in admirable fashion without the volume of guns that one finds in America and I hear no protests about their freedoms being infringed upon.

Unless you reside in the inner city or next to a meth lab, you actually have a much greater chance of being injured or killed in a vehicle accident coming and going to cut wood than be confronted by a deranged would be chain saw thief in the woods. I would be more concerned about protecting myself from injury while riding/driving than someone jumping me in the woods.

Weapons can become a crutch to those who lack the ability or desire to find a more reasonable solution to a problem. While I do own an assortment of rifles and shotguns that I purchased for hunting, I have never seen the need to carry a concealed weapon or place myself in areas or situations where that might be required.

As an interesting aside, the most recent year that I could find CDC statistics for firearms violence was 2004. I was surprised that of the 29,569 firearm fatalities that year, 16,750 (or 57%) were classified as suicides. Thus, you have a much greater chance of killing yourself (57%) than at the hands of someone else (39%). The remaining 2% of the fatalities were classified as accidental deaths. In addition, New England states occupied six of the top seven positions for fewest firearm fatalities per 100,000 people, with New York ranking 4th with only 4.93 deaths per 100,000 residents. By comparison, Louisiana ranked as the worst state with 20.01 deaths per 100,000 people.

National Firearm Injury and Death Statistics | Washington CeaseFire

Now look up how many people are killed by medical malpractice every year. Well, if you want to look at odds of bad stuff happening to you.

I'll go with the founders, they had numerous good reasons to carve in stone the second amendment directly after the first.

The primary one is, more people killed by their own governments then by generic badguy criminals. The US is unique, completely unique, among nations in that we were founded with that being recognized as full total reality.

In the 20th century it was way over 100 million. and it happens every day. Even in the US now, we have on the scene execution by tazer as a common occurrence now.

The whole thing is strange, there are valid arguments from every direction you want to look at or from in this discussion. But...I would still fall in the camp it is better to have and not need (maybe) than need and not have.

 

[banshee67]

Post your address. We'll see which one of us is afraid as my crew takes your stuff.

easy with that inflated sense of alpha that handgun carriers experience, theres a big difference between being tough and feeling tough because of the weapon you have strapped to your hip
i know it was a joke, but so is the attitude a lot of CCW users have

if someone really wants to pull a gun and rob me, thats fine with me.. take my ####, who cares... id rather that than get shot while trying to reach for my gun like a hero

 

[Guido Salvage]

Now look up how many people are killed by medical malpractice every year. Well, if you want to look at odds of bad stuff happening to you.

And a gun won't protect you from that! I just happened to choose firearm statistics, I could have easily chosen vehicular statistics.

The United States is unique in many ways, most significantly that it is still operating under a Constitution that was adopted in 1791. Over the past 220 years there have been vast changes in the world and the courts have attempted to apply this document to activities that were never known to the founding fathers.

At the time of the Constitution there was a very small professional army and navy that defended the country as there was deep seated fear of the repercussions of a large standing army which might lead to future wars. As a result there was a great reliance on a civilian corp (the "militia" referred to in the Constitution) that would be called to combat if the need arose. The Second Amendment was drafted with this in mind, that people in civilian life could keep arms for the sake of defending the company in the event the need arose.

Below is the text of the Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

At the time the weaponry was of many differing calibers and origins. As a result, armories were established to house the weapons necessary to supply the militia and standardization began to take place. The militia was considered the primary defense against foreign armies as well as internal tyrants.

It is from this concept that the militia would act to prevent the usurpation of power by the government that today's concept of the right to bear arms took hold. There has been much debate over the years as to whether the term "people" was used in an individual or a collective form. While I side with the theory that it was intended in the collective form, the Supreme Court has elected to interpret it on an individual level. While the NRA was founded to ""promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," its agenda has changed to a more political one in the past 30 years that promotes the right of gun ownership.

Out of curiosity, how many people who carry weapons have ever needed them to protect themselves while cutting?

 

[audible fart]

You read some of this crap and it's pretty obvious how we ended up with this detached malevolent guy in the white house. Oh, the constitution is so old and outdated. I like how obama just follows the rules he likes and disregards the rest way better.

 

[beerman6]

As an interesting aside, the most recent year that I could find CDC statistics for firearms violence was 2004. I was surprised that of the 29,569 firearm fatalities that year, 16,750 (or 57%) were classified as suicides. Thus, you have a much greater chance of killing yourself (57%) than at the hands of someone else (39%). The remaining 2% of the fatalities were classified as accidental deaths.

That math dont work...

carry em if ya got em!

 

[banshee67]

You read some of this crap and it's pretty obvious how we ended up with this detached malevolent guy in the white house. Oh, the constitution is so old and outdated. I like how obama just follows the rules he likes and disregards the rest way better.

say what you mean

 

[shades2914]

Sounds like a ford vs chevy vs dodge vs etc debate lol

I personally don't own a gun, don't have the money or there is something else more important to get. I would like to buy one and get a ccpermit one day. Not even really for pertection so much as I like guns. Yes it would be nice to have in a bad situation, but the fun part about living where people can cc, which one is packing and which one isn't. I agree they are tools just like a saw or anything else. The trick is knowing when to use it and when not to, its usually refered to as common sence. A lot of people are lacking it anymore, you just have to be careful in whatever situation you are presented with, usual or not, I watch my back, not cause I'm scared, because I want to be aware of my suroundings.

That being said if you pack great, if you don't great, I'm happy either way

 

[LAH]

Supply my spending money with firewood & bullets. Both have brought me nothing but comfort & fun. I like to cut it & I like to shoot'em. A good chainsaw & a fine firearm turns my crank. Always have & always will. There's no need to fuss guys. Some love'em some don't. Both are dangerous in the wrong hands but are good tools in the right hands. I'm out of here.
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[Guido Salvage]

You read some of this crap and it's pretty obvious how we ended up with this detached malevolent guy in the white house. Oh, the constitution is so old and outdated. I like how obama just follows the rules he likes and disregards the rest way better.

That does this have to do with carry a weapon while running a saw (a pretty nebulous subject at best) or anything else for that matter? Seems some folks try to make a political statement whenever they can, regardless of how unintelligible it may be.

That math dont work...

Actually, as stated, the math DOESN'T work, but I suspect that is due to rounding or a small number that were not identified or fell outside those categories.

I just hope at the next GTG that a gunfight does not break out and innocent people end up injured or dead...

 

[audible fart]

That does this have to do with carry a weapon while running a saw (a pretty nebulous subject at best) or anything else for that matter? Seems some folks try to make a political statement whenever they can, regardless of how unintelligible it may be...

How dare you type this mess and call MY post unintelligible! :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Sagetown]

It's threads like this that make me quite happy to be canadian.

I don't even know anybody who has a handgun.

Right On! As long as your next door neighbor is a free United States, however, if say Iran was your neighbor, you may not be so happy. Situations cause a change of heart.

 

[ts39136]

Oy.... I should have known where this conversation was going, but in response to a post a while back about the attitude of people who CCW.

Around here, everyone either owns a gun, or has a parent that owns a gun. Guns are a tool of everyday life... hunting, farm management, protection. Most have grown to respect the firearm for what it is, also. They've seen the intentines pulled out of a rock-chuck, or at the very least a gallon jug explode to nothingness.

For me, the decision to carry concealed was made out of convenience. I carry the tool, but the laws say I have to carry it on the dashboard of my car, keep it exposed at all times, load it when I exit the truck, unload it when I get in, etc. It'd be like carrying your knife over your shoulder instead of neatly tucked away in it's sheath. I did not want the ya-hoo image of "proudly" displaying my piece, so that is why I chose to conceal it. It's very likely that you would never even guess who was carrying a weapon, because many don't feel the need to talk about it, even if the subject came up. Out here, a carried gun doesn't even deserve a second glance.

It's the ones lifting their shirt for their friends and pulling out there guns at parties, that you need to worry about. You can see the same personality differences all over... for instance, you have the men throwing 100lb hay bales around all summer long that keep their muscles nicely tucked under their shirts. Then you have some that go to the gym and sport their muscles as some sort of status symbol through skin tight sleevless undershirts. It's the personality, not the gun ownership, at work.

I attempt to understand why the views are so polarized. I guess if there were zero guns on this earth, that idea could work, but I don't really forsee a farmer getting his slingshot to scare off the wolves that are killing his cattle.

This was my attempt at peace, hope it doesn't keep the flame going.

 

[DSS]

Right On! As long as your next door neighbor is a free United States, however, if say Iran was your neighbor, you may not be so happy. Situations cause a change of heart.

Yup. I'm quite happy living next to the US. If I lived next to Iran, well,

...I guess I'd just saddle up my camel and #### off.